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Europe/Other : Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

 

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15 Oct 2013
11:15:17pm
Ok guys - stumped again.

Is this Type II or Type III? It looks like Type III to me, but I wanted to verify.

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16 Oct 2013
07:20:41am
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

I don't know Kelly, I think you would need a confirmed Type I or II to determine if the lines around the centre are thinner or not.

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16 Oct 2013
09:18:30pm
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

Alyn,

Where exactly am I looking for the lines? The very centre of the stamp? If it's Type I, how do I figure out if it's ribbed paper? Some genius wrote on the back of the stamp.

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16 Oct 2013
11:17:53pm
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

If a stamp has ribbed or laid paper, hold it facing a light. If it is, then you'll see parallel "lines" in the paper. Your stamp looks to have wove paper. According to The Serrane Guide, the ribbing on these stamps consists of vertical "lines" with one horizontal "line".

As for an easy identification on the type III, it is confusing. Michel only notes it in a worse manner than Scott, "Rescribed lower framing line, double line!"

Look at your first issues of Austria. They used similar designs that also had a type III. Maybe you have one there that is confirmed.

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17 Oct 2013
07:55:10am
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

"Where exactly am I looking for the lines? "



Scott soesn't provide the exact details, but I am assuming (and we know what happens when one assumes), that with a type I or II, you would notice the difference.

My guess would be the lines around the shield is what is being referenced.

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17 Oct 2013
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re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

Thanks Alyn,

That was my guess based on their "descriptive explanation" too - lol Big Grin

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17 Oct 2013
01:21:58pm
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

This site shows the different types with short description of differences:

http://www.italianstamps.co.uk/states/lombard/

"Some genius wrote on the back of the stamp."



That was probably me!Winking

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17 Oct 2013
09:31:24pm
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

I don't see it. On the Type III, where is the thin double line?

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17 Oct 2013
11:38:10pm
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

It's definitely either Type II or Type III - The KK are solid and the 5 of the 15 is in the position of Types II and III. So Type I is completely ruled out.

I've stared at this stamp for so long I'm getting cross-eyed. I'm still missing where I'm supposed to be looking for the lines.

I'm going to pull out my microscope tomorrow and see if that helps. I want to pull it out anyway to determine if two other stamps I have are genuine or fakes because I can't tell just with the magnifying glass.

So if I can figure out where the heck the shield plant border is, then I can find out what the lines look like! At Wits End

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18 Oct 2013
07:40:09am
re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

Good morning Kelly,

Based on the link provided by HungaryforStamps, I think you have a type III, if you look at the bottom and sides of the stamp identified as Type II you can see how thick the lines are. The leave a very small gap on the rounded bottoms of the shield:
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Your stamp has clearly thinner lines, which is closer to the image identified as type III:
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I also find that the majority of lines all seem thinner between the type II and III.

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A Service Dog gives a person with a disability independence. Never approach, distract or pet a working dog, especially when (s)he is in harness. Never be afraid to ask questions to the handler (parent).
15 Oct 2013
11:15:17pm

Ok guys - stumped again.

Is this Type II or Type III? It looks like Type III to me, but I wanted to verify.

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16 Oct 2013
07:20:41am

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

I don't know Kelly, I think you would need a confirmed Type I or II to determine if the lines around the centre are thinner or not.

Alyn

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16 Oct 2013
09:18:30pm

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

Alyn,

Where exactly am I looking for the lines? The very centre of the stamp? If it's Type I, how do I figure out if it's ribbed paper? Some genius wrote on the back of the stamp.

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16 Oct 2013
11:17:53pm

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

If a stamp has ribbed or laid paper, hold it facing a light. If it is, then you'll see parallel "lines" in the paper. Your stamp looks to have wove paper. According to The Serrane Guide, the ribbing on these stamps consists of vertical "lines" with one horizontal "line".

As for an easy identification on the type III, it is confusing. Michel only notes it in a worse manner than Scott, "Rescribed lower framing line, double line!"

Look at your first issues of Austria. They used similar designs that also had a type III. Maybe you have one there that is confirmed.

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17 Oct 2013
07:55:10am

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

"Where exactly am I looking for the lines? "



Scott soesn't provide the exact details, but I am assuming (and we know what happens when one assumes), that with a type I or II, you would notice the difference.

My guess would be the lines around the shield is what is being referenced.

Alyn
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17 Oct 2013
01:05:05pm

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

Thanks Alyn,

That was my guess based on their "descriptive explanation" too - lol Big Grin

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17 Oct 2013
01:21:58pm

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

This site shows the different types with short description of differences:

http://www.italianstamps.co.uk/states/lombard/

"Some genius wrote on the back of the stamp."



That was probably me!Winking

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17 Oct 2013
09:31:24pm

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

I don't see it. On the Type III, where is the thin double line?

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17 Oct 2013
11:38:10pm

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

It's definitely either Type II or Type III - The KK are solid and the 5 of the 15 is in the position of Types II and III. So Type I is completely ruled out.

I've stared at this stamp for so long I'm getting cross-eyed. I'm still missing where I'm supposed to be looking for the lines.

I'm going to pull out my microscope tomorrow and see if that helps. I want to pull it out anyway to determine if two other stamps I have are genuine or fakes because I can't tell just with the magnifying glass.

So if I can figure out where the heck the shield plant border is, then I can find out what the lines look like! At Wits End

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18 Oct 2013
07:40:09am

re: Austria - Lombardy-Venetia #4

Good morning Kelly,

Based on the link provided by HungaryforStamps, I think you have a type III, if you look at the bottom and sides of the stamp identified as Type II you can see how thick the lines are. The leave a very small gap on the rounded bottoms of the shield:
Image Not Found Image Not Found


Your stamp has clearly thinner lines, which is closer to the image identified as type III:
Image Not Found Image Not Found

I also find that the majority of lines all seem thinner between the type II and III.

Alyn

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