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05:59:21pm
Kelly
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That's almost a trick question! First you need to determine your budget as Germany has 4 sets of Zeppelins. If you go the cover route make sure they have a certificate as a lot of 'Very Good" fakes have been showing up on ebay and even BS( but was noted as a reproduction). And As we all know there are also many reproductions of the stamps them self's.
Edit: After thinking about this for a little longer I would go with covers. Used stamps are nice but a cover would tell a story!!!!
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08:20:11pm
Ross - I was thinking along the same lines. I'm hesitant with used Zeppelin singles because I really don't want to run up against counterfeit cancels. I figure I'm safer with covers, although you definitely made a point that will keep me on my toes when looking at covers. I have started to add a few covers to my German collection simply because of the stories they tell. Fascinating history.
I've noticed a number of "reproductions" offered of "mnh" Zeppelins but they are identified as "reproductions" in the listings.
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Here's a nice from ebay.
copied from ebay-Reproduction- and it looks good!!!
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10:04:01pm
So it's a reproduction - someone went to a lot of trouble to re-create something like this?
I've seen forgeries of stamps and even cancels but I've never seen covers/postcards. What gives?
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Poodle_Mum, if you are looking at collecting Zeppelin covers, you will probably want the Zeppelin Post Katalog by Sieger. It is in German, though. There is an english language, Frost SPECIAL MAIL AND POSTCARD CATALOG 2005 catalogue but some consider it inferior to the Sieger. I have them both.
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Fake stamp (common Winter forgery) on a completely fabricated card. Original Zepp stamps are comb perf; these fakes have line perforation, which see:
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It's not my area of ​​expertise, however, comunuque I try to give an answer.
There are areas of philately German that in some cases are very dangerous as has already been said. Zeppelins are part of this category.
For Zeppelin I always recommend to buy new postage stamps, rubber perfect. Retain their value over time, and you can always resell a day. The stamps with overprint always be purchased with the certificate.
I would avoid the stamps used singles.
The postal history however is another story, they speak of Airmail.
The Zeppelin had an usage almost exclusively philatelic, and in all traditional auctions are thousands of offers: are present in each auction catalog, from postcards to envelopes FDC. Their cost is high, and the assessments are variable depending on the route, under the conditions, to stamps, to the destination, the type of flight.
Personally I have always avoided this kind of material which for me has been crafted for collectors. If you like the article, however, it is better to opt for a postcard with the full set sent to one 'American address.
Always buy at international auction houses or dealers reliable.
Always ask for pre-verification of an expert German.
If the collection had only'd take my new values ​​hinged, and would insert some original vintage photograph.
Federico
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My advice: if it is expensive, only buy either with a Cert. or from an expert.
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Poodle Mum:
I have been "wanting" these Zeppelins since I don't recall when.
Have always been frightened away by all the red flags.
Be good.
If you can't be good,
be careful.
John Derry
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10:43:51pm
Thanks everyone. I too, have seen some nice issues but hesitated when they were singles. I had never seen "reproductions" until I went through eBay one day. The ones I have seen at dealers or stamp shows in the past have never looked like the reproductions I've seen on eBay.
John, perhaps one day I will take the plunge, but it'll probably be a long time from now as there seems to be, as you said, many red flags.
Kelly
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24 Jul 2013
05:59:21pm
I'm looking into options for adding Graf Zeppelin issues to my German collection. Is it wiser to go with on cover instead of used singles?
Kelly
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To error is human -to really fowl things up takes a computer
24 Jul 2013
06:47:01pm
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
That's almost a trick question! First you need to determine your budget as Germany has 4 sets of Zeppelins. If you go the cover route make sure they have a certificate as a lot of 'Very Good" fakes have been showing up on ebay and even BS( but was noted as a reproduction). And As we all know there are also many reproductions of the stamps them self's.
Edit: After thinking about this for a little longer I would go with covers. Used stamps are nice but a cover would tell a story!!!!
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A Service Dog gives a person with a disability independence. Never approach, distract or pet a working dog, especially when (s)he is in harness. Never be afraid to ask questions to the handler (parent).
24 Jul 2013
08:20:11pm
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
Ross - I was thinking along the same lines. I'm hesitant with used Zeppelin singles because I really don't want to run up against counterfeit cancels. I figure I'm safer with covers, although you definitely made a point that will keep me on my toes when looking at covers. I have started to add a few covers to my German collection simply because of the stories they tell. Fascinating history.
I've noticed a number of "reproductions" offered of "mnh" Zeppelins but they are identified as "reproductions" in the listings.
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To error is human -to really fowl things up takes a computer
24 Jul 2013
09:15:04pm
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
Here's a nice from ebay.
copied from ebay-Reproduction- and it looks good!!!
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A Service Dog gives a person with a disability independence. Never approach, distract or pet a working dog, especially when (s)he is in harness. Never be afraid to ask questions to the handler (parent).
24 Jul 2013
10:04:01pm
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
So it's a reproduction - someone went to a lot of trouble to re-create something like this?
I've seen forgeries of stamps and even cancels but I've never seen covers/postcards. What gives?
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re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
Poodle_Mum, if you are looking at collecting Zeppelin covers, you will probably want the Zeppelin Post Katalog by Sieger. It is in German, though. There is an english language, Frost SPECIAL MAIL AND POSTCARD CATALOG 2005 catalogue but some consider it inferior to the Sieger. I have them both.
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re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
Fake stamp (common Winter forgery) on a completely fabricated card. Original Zepp stamps are comb perf; these fakes have line perforation, which see:
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05:01:04am
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
It's not my area of ​​expertise, however, comunuque I try to give an answer.
There are areas of philately German that in some cases are very dangerous as has already been said. Zeppelins are part of this category.
For Zeppelin I always recommend to buy new postage stamps, rubber perfect. Retain their value over time, and you can always resell a day. The stamps with overprint always be purchased with the certificate.
I would avoid the stamps used singles.
The postal history however is another story, they speak of Airmail.
The Zeppelin had an usage almost exclusively philatelic, and in all traditional auctions are thousands of offers: are present in each auction catalog, from postcards to envelopes FDC. Their cost is high, and the assessments are variable depending on the route, under the conditions, to stamps, to the destination, the type of flight.
Personally I have always avoided this kind of material which for me has been crafted for collectors. If you like the article, however, it is better to opt for a postcard with the full set sent to one 'American address.
Always buy at international auction houses or dealers reliable.
Always ask for pre-verification of an expert German.
If the collection had only'd take my new values ​​hinged, and would insert some original vintage photograph.
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05:18:54pm
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
My advice: if it is expensive, only buy either with a Cert. or from an expert.
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The past is a foreign country, they do things different there.
06 Aug 2013
10:32:50pm
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
Poodle Mum:
I have been "wanting" these Zeppelins since I don't recall when.
Have always been frightened away by all the red flags.
Be good.
If you can't be good,
be careful.
John Derry
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A Service Dog gives a person with a disability independence. Never approach, distract or pet a working dog, especially when (s)he is in harness. Never be afraid to ask questions to the handler (parent).
06 Aug 2013
10:43:51pm
re: Germany Graf Zeppelin inquiry
Thanks everyone. I too, have seen some nice issues but hesitated when they were singles. I had never seen "reproductions" until I went through eBay one day. The ones I have seen at dealers or stamp shows in the past have never looked like the reproductions I've seen on eBay.
John, perhaps one day I will take the plunge, but it'll probably be a long time from now as there seems to be, as you said, many red flags.
Kelly
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