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24 Jul 2013
12:18:36am
Just got this a few days ago. It's sealed, but there's a letter inside. Don't know whether or not I'm going to open it. Sort of like the mystery.

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24 Jul 2013
08:03:32am
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Might not be an actual letter inside (Unless you can hold it up to light and see the writing) but with First day covers there was often a card placed inside. I'm assuming it was there to help the cover stay in good shape ? I don't collect FDC's but hopefully someone that does will chime in.

Nice cover btw.

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24 Jul 2013
08:22:39am

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robert is likely correct, that it's a stiffener not a letter, but there are other anomelies here too: it's franked for airmail postage but no airmail markings are present.

Of course, the Philippines were contested with the Japanese not German army, so it's an odd choice of cachet.

We should also note that the campaign to retake the Philippines hadn't yet started, and MacArthur hadn't yet wetted his trousers, so America was commemorating a defeat, not its anticipated retribution.

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24 Jul 2013
07:43:12pm
re: U.S. WW2 Cover

It is rather stiff; that's why I noticed it. I held it up to a light and saw writing, so I thought it was a letter or postcard. Thanks, guys. Won't open it.

Don't know anything about the franking. Just liked the cachet.

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25 Jul 2013
09:24:19am
re: U.S. WW2 Cover

Lawrence Sherman identifies the envelope as a Minkus cachet, valued at the minimum catalog value ($3-6 range) for US WWII patriotic envelopes (Sherman #5576). It is from the second series of Minkus envelopes produced in June 1942. These envelopes were sold by Gimbels Stores and marketed to be generally used for mail as a sign of patriotic support.

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25 Jul 2013
11:56:42am
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The date on the cover was one of the worst days for the 8th Air force it was the Second Raid on Schweinfurt they lost 60 B-17's and 650 men.
Full Story here from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Raid_on_Schweinfurt

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25 Jul 2013
12:38:51pm
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Probably a worse day for the citizens of Schweinfurt, nevertheless.

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25 Jul 2013
10:37:12pm

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If i remember my Air Force history..ball bearing production actually increased during the bombings..heres one "the fall of Rome" i always heard that the Germans left Rome an open city rather than risk the destruction of the eternal city !!Image Not Found

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25 Jul 2013
11:37:12pm
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Thanks, guys. I've shopped at Macy's in N.Y., but not Gimbels. Glad to have something from them.

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27 Jul 2013
04:39:47pm
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Before Macy's closed their stamp area I just about always left the one, crossed the street and browsed the other. I bought my first World Wide adult album at Macy's in 1964, a Harris Citation which accompanied me to sea for several years, eventually growing into a second Citation binder.
Herman Hurst tells the story of a marketing genius who, at some time in the late 1930s became the manager of the stamp department at Macy's. Being familiar with concept of a "door buster" or a "loss leader" he put some moderately expensive US stamp on sale with a 50% discount.
A Sales Manager runs the sales part of the department and there was a Buyer who arranges purchases for several related departments does the purchasing. Discovering that they needed more copies of that stamp as it appeared to be a big seller the buyer sought out examples through ads in the stamp press which of course he purchased at the normal market price.
The stamps would be sent to the store's Stamp Department where they continued to sell very well. What no one realized for a while was that the Buyer was grabbing as many examples as possible because the manager kept reporting brisk sales and a low inventory.
The hook of the story is that a couple of smart dealers were stopping at Macy's to buy any examples that were in stock at 50% and turning around to answer the buyer's buy ads at full price.
According to the story in one of his books Hurst claimed that several of the stamps made the cycle more than once before someone put two and two together.

( Once again I am working from memory and hope I got the details right.)

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24 Jul 2013
12:18:36am

Just got this a few days ago. It's sealed, but there's a letter inside. Don't know whether or not I'm going to open it. Sort of like the mystery.

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24 Jul 2013
08:03:32am

re: U.S. WW2 Cover

Might not be an actual letter inside (Unless you can hold it up to light and see the writing) but with First day covers there was often a card placed inside. I'm assuming it was there to help the cover stay in good shape ? I don't collect FDC's but hopefully someone that does will chime in.

Nice cover btw.

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24 Jul 2013
08:22:39am

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re: U.S. WW2 Cover

robert is likely correct, that it's a stiffener not a letter, but there are other anomelies here too: it's franked for airmail postage but no airmail markings are present.

Of course, the Philippines were contested with the Japanese not German army, so it's an odd choice of cachet.

We should also note that the campaign to retake the Philippines hadn't yet started, and MacArthur hadn't yet wetted his trousers, so America was commemorating a defeat, not its anticipated retribution.

David

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24 Jul 2013
07:43:12pm

re: U.S. WW2 Cover

It is rather stiff; that's why I noticed it. I held it up to a light and saw writing, so I thought it was a letter or postcard. Thanks, guys. Won't open it.

Don't know anything about the franking. Just liked the cachet.

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25 Jul 2013
09:24:19am

re: U.S. WW2 Cover

Lawrence Sherman identifies the envelope as a Minkus cachet, valued at the minimum catalog value ($3-6 range) for US WWII patriotic envelopes (Sherman #5576). It is from the second series of Minkus envelopes produced in June 1942. These envelopes were sold by Gimbels Stores and marketed to be generally used for mail as a sign of patriotic support.

Arno

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25 Jul 2013
11:56:42am

re: U.S. WW2 Cover

The date on the cover was one of the worst days for the 8th Air force it was the Second Raid on Schweinfurt they lost 60 B-17's and 650 men.
Full Story here from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Raid_on_Schweinfurt

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25 Jul 2013
12:38:51pm

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Probably a worse day for the citizens of Schweinfurt, nevertheless.

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25 Jul 2013
10:37:12pm

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re: U.S. WW2 Cover

If i remember my Air Force history..ball bearing production actually increased during the bombings..heres one "the fall of Rome" i always heard that the Germans left Rome an open city rather than risk the destruction of the eternal city !!Image Not Found

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25 Jul 2013
11:37:12pm

re: U.S. WW2 Cover

Thanks, guys. I've shopped at Macy's in N.Y., but not Gimbels. Glad to have something from them.

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27 Jul 2013
04:39:47pm

re: U.S. WW2 Cover

Before Macy's closed their stamp area I just about always left the one, crossed the street and browsed the other. I bought my first World Wide adult album at Macy's in 1964, a Harris Citation which accompanied me to sea for several years, eventually growing into a second Citation binder.
Herman Hurst tells the story of a marketing genius who, at some time in the late 1930s became the manager of the stamp department at Macy's. Being familiar with concept of a "door buster" or a "loss leader" he put some moderately expensive US stamp on sale with a 50% discount.
A Sales Manager runs the sales part of the department and there was a Buyer who arranges purchases for several related departments does the purchasing. Discovering that they needed more copies of that stamp as it appeared to be a big seller the buyer sought out examples through ads in the stamp press which of course he purchased at the normal market price.
The stamps would be sent to the store's Stamp Department where they continued to sell very well. What no one realized for a while was that the Buyer was grabbing as many examples as possible because the manager kept reporting brisk sales and a low inventory.
The hook of the story is that a couple of smart dealers were stopping at Macy's to buy any examples that were in stock at 50% and turning around to answer the buyer's buy ads at full price.
According to the story in one of his books Hurst claimed that several of the stamps made the cycle more than once before someone put two and two together.

( Once again I am working from memory and hope I got the details right.)

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