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Kiwi
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28 Jun 2013
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Image Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundHi can someone tell me what is written on those stamps?
They are hebrew stamp blocks and from the pre-state of Israel era.
Thanks a lot for your help,
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29 Jun 2013
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You might try forwarding them to http://edu.kabbalah.info/home. They're a very friendly group based in Israel.

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29 Jun 2013
11:15:19pm
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We have a number of us here on SOR that speak/read Hebrew. I've only looked at the pictures on my phone so far as I have not had a chance because Saturday is Shabbos (the Sabbath). They are all labels for the Jewish National Fund. The labels with the photos are of prominent people in the Zionist movement (off hand, I didn't look at all of them - I did notice Rabbi Kook who if memory serves me correctly from school, was Chief Rabbi of Israel {Palestine before the State of Israel was created}). You can look him up online - ie Wikipedia. As well as look up the Jewish National Fund. I wrote about the Jewish National Fund some time ago. I need to re-post the cover that was sent to me by Lee on which I explained the following thread http://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=5967#36015

I'm sure between those of us who speak/read Hebrew here at SOR we can give you more information on individual labels that you have posted. Also, if any information I have written in the previous post linked above is inaccurate, please feel free to correct it. My strengths do not lie in Modern Hebrew as I have spent most of my life studying religious texts in Biblical and pre-Modern Hebrew (for lack of a better term, as Hebrew has evolved just like the English language).

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30 Jun 2013
08:07:12am
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Thanks so much Kelly for your answer and the article you wrote on JNF: very interesting.
I've got 2 albums on Israel stamp blocks from 1948 to 1970's. They are very beautiful and I'm sure that, thanks to internet, I will learn more about Israel's History and culture.
Daniel.

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30 Jun 2013
08:10:06am
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Thanks also to you Zipper. Will go and see the site!

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30 Jun 2013
12:27:27pm
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Kiwi,

Hi. I collect the JNF labels and have a catalogue and will tell you all you need to know about these issues...if I can.
I am not sure if they are all JNF material, but will let you know.
It looks like a fine collection.

Thanks for showing us.

Londonbus1.....my daughter will help me with the Hebrew !!

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30 Jun 2013
02:12:37pm
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Hi again Kiwi,

Let's go from top to Bottom in order. I'll leave any unknowns blank and edit as I find them. All JNF labels are from Jerusalem Head Office unless stated.

1]. This is a Commemoration label for the start of the Building of the Tower at Metzudat Ze'ev ,Ze'ev's Fortress in Tel Aviv. The Tower was completed in 1963 and is the home of the right-wing Likud Party. The building is named after Ze'ev Jabotinsky. The Hebrew reads 'Ze'ev's Fortress ,top, and Jabotinsky House, Below, which is the more common name for the building. Under this, is the year. The unusual 'Star of David' at left is for the Betar Youth Movement, if I am not mistaken.

2]. JNF Label from the New York Offices. 1940. Succot issue depicting a Shofar in the Succah. Perf 12.

3]. Same. Sheetlet of 6 as issued. One of a set of two. Keren Kayemet L'Israel is written in Hebrew under Jewish National Fund and translates to The National Fund of Israel !!

4]. This one is more modern although I have not found it yet. But I will. It depicts the first JNF/KKL label from 1902, 'Zion'. The English translation is on the label itself !!

Found it !!
1976 issue entitled 'Zion Renewed'. And it has some interest too. The issue has the bottom inscription in English, Hebrew, Russian,French,German, Incorrect Spanish and Corrected Spanish !! Sheets are of 20 labels, 5x4 except the Hebrew which is 5, 5x1 and the corrected Spanish, 10 2x5 !! And as I said earlier, it depicts the 1st JNF issue, 'Zion' from 1902. Lovely !


5]. A 1944 Label showing Moses Lieb Lilianblum and celebrates his 100th Birth Anniversary. Perf 11½.

6]and 7]. These are NOT JNF/KKL labels but issues of the Tel Hai Zionist Revisionist Movement for the Tel Hai Fund, KTH, which is written in Hebrew, Keren Tel Hai, at the bottom of each label. the sheetlets depict famous Jewish faces and places.

8]. 1945 issue showing Chaim Bialik and Theodore Herzl aside a village. The inscription between them reads 'Teaching and Testimony'. Perf 10½

9]. 1941 Herzl issue with 2 Millieme Black Overprint. This item has been additionally overprinted 'Doar', 'post' in English which denotes it was ready to be used when supplies of stamps were not available during the War of Independence. Many JNF and other labels were similarly used for this purpose, and is a fascinating area of Judaica Collecting.
The colour, Purple, denotes it was used In Tel Aviv.

10]. The most fascinating item in your lovely lot. Never seen it before but it reads 'Aliyah Stamp' at the top and 'For the Land of Israel' at the bottom. They are overprinted by handstamp '50 Millieme', the word fifty is also written !! Wonderful, wonderful piece and I am green with envy ! i will try to find out more about it.

11] and 12]. Are Jerusalem Yeshivah labels showing Rabbi Avraham Kook, the Chief Rabbi of Palestine, 1921-1935. Just as an aside, a village near my home is named after him !!

13]. A JNF label, again with Rabbi Kook commemorating his 10th Death Anniversary in 1945. Many colours of this label exist also with overprints. Great series.

That's it for now. More when I get it.
I did not give much info on names, places etc. you can google those yourself. If I missed some translations, just holler or maybe someone else will chime in.

If you have more, I'd love to see them. My little collection is looking rather poor !!

Londonbus1....and my daughter only helped me once Big Grin!

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01 Jul 2013
02:07:20pm
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Hi and thanks so much for your help and information Londonbus1. I will try and upload others so you can see them. Most of the others I've got are from 1948 and after.
What other countries do you have in your stamp collections?

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01 Jul 2013
02:11:13pm
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By the way, here is a very curious one I've got in my collection. It seems to concern israel, well I think???Image Not Found

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01 Jul 2013
03:39:40pm
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I believe it's a JNF label as that appears to written on the side of the 'Money-Box Lorry'.
I have seen this recently and it will come back to me I'm sure.

Nice block.

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01 Jul 2013
03:42:53pm
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"What other countries do you have in your stamp collections?"



I have some Israel, GB and Bulgaria which I am collecting, of sorts. I have loads of other stuff which is going slowly.

My main focus these days is on Cinderella material of which JNF/KKL labels are one avenue.

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02 Jul 2013
08:08:59am
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Image Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundOK. As promised here are a few others. Those ones are from the early 1950's. I couldn't help uploading the flag; it's a nice one also.Image Not Found
OK As promised here are the others. If you knows things about those stamps don't hésitate to do so. And thanks for this great and interesting communication!
By the way, what are "Cinderellas"???
Daniel.

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02 Jul 2013
08:14:11am
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Daniel, Cinderella is a broad term encompassing labels issued by organizations other than country for purposes other than moving the mail. They include various kinds of seals, which are meant to generate revenue for the issuing entity; poster labels, which can include a wide range of topics and whose allure is their beauty; propaganda labels, which are meant to promote, or denigrate, one group or cause; and some commercial labels, like Santa Claus Post, which were really profit-making stamps for profit-orientied companies.

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02 Jul 2013
11:46:58am
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Does someone know the story behind how a title of a Fairy Tale about a scullery maid who became a princess came to describe the labels we in the philatelic world call "Cinderellas?" Just curious...

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02 Jul 2013
02:44:42pm
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"Does someone know the story behind how a title of a Fairy Tale about a scullery maid who became a princess came to describe the labels we in the philatelic world call "Cinderellas?" Just curious..."



It was most likely something that happened gradually over time.
I have my own take on it, but it probably goes like this:

'The word "cinderella" has, by analogy, come to mean one whose attributes were unrecognized, or one who unexpectedly achieves recognition or success after a period of obscurity and neglect'.

Wikepedia !

As a mainly Cinderella collector these days, I'd say that's as near as one can get, although my own story is somewhat longer !!

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02 Jul 2013
03:22:19pm
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As good an explanation as any.

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02 Jul 2013
03:28:45pm
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Daniel,

David's broad term for 'What is a Cinderella'is not as all-encompassing as my own which is any Stamp or label that is not listed in a regular Postage stamp catalogue. I'll make a list sometime. The list follows the line of the Cinderella Stamp Club in the UK.

It includes stamps or labels that were indeed used for postage, like one of your JNF labels you showed yesterday and others.

More another time.

But back to your lovely collection. Thumbs Up

The unusual item you showed yesterday is entitled 'Don't miss the Bus' and is a 1958 JNF issue from the Holland Offices. It depicts money running after a JNF Collection Box, called the Blue Box, and the inscription reads as the title.Issued in Booklet panes of 4. Actually quite neat !

The next lot from top to bottom.

1]. 1949 Israel Stamp with Tab left or right. Issued to celebrate the 1st year of Independence. Your item is a right corner Plate Block and is absolutely devine. Easily my favourite stamp of Israel.

2]. and 3]. Booklet panes of 6 of JNF New York Office, Holiday issues. They are both New Year types and are inscribed thus. The top one is a NVI. Both have other values to the set.

4]. A 1951 Israel stamp in a Plate block celebrating 40 years anniversary of Tel Aviv.
The Hebrew inscription at the top reads " Tel Aviv- She is Forty".

5]. and 6]. These are Charity Seals, not JNF related. Many Charity seals and labels exist for all number of Charities, Organizations and religious places. Your blocks look to be in amazing condition. Well done !

Londonbus1

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03 Jul 2013
04:31:09am
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Thank you all for your definition on Cinderallas! The subject is interesting and were're nearly gone into a debate! It would be interesting that one of you open a new subject on the matter and show us a few of your Cinderellas as exemples.I also couldn't help thinking about the nasty stepmother and stepsisters of Cinderella! LoL
Londonbus1, thanks very much for your help and sharing your knowledge on the subject concerning JNF. I will preciously note what you have written here.
Hope to see some of your Cinderellas!
Daniel.

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03 Jul 2013
05:54:13am
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Here are also a few out of many more I've got concerning the state of Israel.The top ones are 7 tribes out of 12 tabbed! I love the designs and figures.
Daniel.

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03 Jul 2013
06:26:34am
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......Just wonder What the flowers represent on the 3 last stamp blocks?

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03 Jul 2013
07:30:03am
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I don't particularly object to Michael's definition, but it presents some problems. Christmas seals are listed in Scott (at least issues through 1979), but Easter seals are not. They serve similar functions, but one would be partially excluded from Michael's list while the other would be included.

In general, though, he and I are thinking along similar lines, he aiming for inclusion and I aiming for definition. Both approaches work....mostly.


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03 Jul 2013
08:21:45am
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Uh David - how many drinks did you have before writing the above reply? Winking

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03 Jul 2013
05:00:48pm
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"Just wonder What the flowers represent on the 3 last stamp blocks?"



Your tab blocks celebrate the 4th Independence Day in 1952.
Independence Day is inscribed on the Tabs.
The Day preceeding Independence day is the Memorial Day for those who fell in battle, which in more recent times has included terrorism also.
The first stamp shows a Poppy, long associated with this day throughout the world. Written in Hebrew on the stone is 'Fell in Battle'. Inscribed on the left corner is Zefat, a town in Northern Israel, where a near miracle occured in 1948. Google Liberation or Battle of Zefat for a fascinating story.
The other two stamps show very Common thistles which may or may not, be connected to the Kibbutzim depicted.
The Middle one is for Yad Mordechai, named after the leader of Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII. The Southern Kibbutz survived one of the great Battles of the 1948 War of Independence, The Battle of Yad Mordechai, with Egyptian Forces.
The last stamp depicts Kibbutz Degania which fought off the Syrian Army during the War and suffered almost total devastation in the process. A Syrian tank still stands today at the entrance to the village in the place where it fell to ragtag Kibbutz fighters !!

Both the above Kibbutzim are inscribed in Hebrew on the bottom left corner of the stamp.
The set was designed by Otte Wallish who designed Israel's first stamps after Independence.

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04 Jul 2013
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Thanks for the comments Londonbus1.
Here are 2 others I've just found while putting in order all my stamp blocks in an album.
What do you think of those ones?
Daniel.

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04 Jul 2013
08:26:54am
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The top picture is of a pane of Philatelic Exhibition labels from 'Tabul' 1949 in Tel Aviv and is inscribed thus. The pane, from the top right corner of the sheet and with sheet number, is from a larger sheet cut by scissors/knife down the gutter.

The other item is a Booklet pane from the Keren Tel Hai organization, items from which you showed previously.
Sara Aharonsohn was a Jewish Spy for the British during WW1 and was captured by the Ottoman Turks when one of her carrier pigeons was intercepted ! She shot herself after enduring some days of torture to ensure that vital information could not be passed on to the enemy.

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04 Jul 2013
01:25:38pm
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Merci beaucoup! If I find new ones I'll let you know. And great to meet you!
Daniel.

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04 Jul 2013
04:22:16pm
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Nice to meet you too Daniel. Always happy to help when needed !!

I started a new thread as you suggested to get others' views on 'What is a Cinderella'.
Take a look if you are interested.

Keep up the good work.

Londonbus1

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04 Jul 2013
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The term, "Cinderella Liberty" is used by Navy and Coast Guard sailors for time off in a port where all, or sometimes the younger and lower rank sailors have to return to their ship by Midnight.
And to round out the subject, "Cinderella Meetings" are a form of late night incestual relations usually associated with child abuse.

A very interesting adjective.

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