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Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
In case you can't read the ink jet cancel, it reads; KC(MO) 640 06 May 2013.
Mike
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Unique, and also, I would think, illegal. A first day cancellation is, by definition, a cancellation. Unless there is another (mint) stamp on that cover which has been cropped from the scan, that cover should not have passed through the mails.
Tedski
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Gotta agree with you.. this is illegal to do, unless there's a second stamp on it.
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Bingo!
I agree with all of you on this one. I just wonder how many of these were actually mailed out? This one was addressed to the local stamp club and I have not receive one from them personally, so could be these were just sent to APS affiliate stamp clubs, which would still account for several hundred, I'm sure. I'm sure these three gentlemen did not undertake this project themselves and am sure they will be very surprised when they find out how the mailing was handled.
Mike
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As far as these being illegal - you can get the First Day Cancels applied 30-60 days afterwards? My guess is rather than illegal usage, they sent for a first day cancel for promotional purposes, and someone at the USPS goofed and also put them through the sorting/canceling machines, so they were just double canceled.
Josh
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Josh is correct about the FDC cancels. I think his explanation is more plausible.
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I'm thought they changed that in US postal rules some time ago though?
Edit: Okay, I'm wrong... I was just checking the AFDCS website.. they have one rule per AFDCS
""In producing first day covers, customers normally have 60 days from a new stamp's date of issue to purchase stamps, affix them to covers, individually address covers and mail them to the [b]first day of issue city[/b]. Covers are then canceled, overwrapped for protection, and delivered back through the mail stream.""
I misread the following...
"Each cover must have sufficient postage to meet current First-Class and/or Foreign First Class requirements. Covers bearing previously canceled stamps and postmarks may be serviced, provided that sufficient additional new (mint) postage, equal to the current First Class rate or Foreign First Class rate, is attached. A previously canceled stamp cannot be canceled again."
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I managed to dig out one of the covers I mentioned in my earlier post.As you can see the cover was first cancelled on the 9th of May 1988 .The sender has made up the postage with one Christmas Island stamp (which is also illegal) as I understand it, you could not use Christmas Island Indian Ocean stamps produced before 1993 on Australian mail,and one Cocos Keeling Island which I think it is legal to use
Brian
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Actually that Cocos (Keeling) stamp (issued in 1980) was also used illegally. Cocos (Keeling) Islands stamps issued between 1979 and 1993 (SG 32-295) were not valid for use in Australia. It's not unusual to still see them turning up on mail.
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Which just goes to prove once again that they can make all of the rules and laws they want to, but when it comes to enforcing them that's a different story.
I just found this very interest site about the USPS and want to share the amazing information it contains. Notice that over 70% of their income goes to pay wages.
Mike
Size and Scope
The United States Postal Service delivers more mail to more addresses in a larger geographical area than any other post in the world. The Postal Service delivers to more than152 million homes, businesses and Post Office boxes in every state, city, town and borough in this country. Everyone living in the United States and its territories has access to postal products and services and pays the same postage regardless of their location.
By the Numbers *
65 billion — 2012 revenue, in dollars
160 billion — number of mailpieces processed
40 — percent of the world’s mail volume handled by the Postal Service
1.8 billion — dollar amount paid every two weeks in salaries and benefits
522,144** — number of career employees
108,000** — number of military veteran career employees
31,272 — number of Postal Service-managed retail offices
212,530 — number of vehicles — one of the largest civilian fleets in the world
1.3 billion — number of miles driven each year by letter carriers and truck drivers
39.7 million — number of address changes processed
39 — percent of retail revenue from alternative access channels
423 million — total number of visits to usps.com
67.5 million — number of inquiries handled by the Postal Service Contact Center
246 million — dollar amount of online stamp and retail sales at usps.com
44.1 million — number of Click-N-Ship labels printed
483 million — total revenue, in dollars, from Click-N-Ship label purchases
83.8 million — number of packages picked up using Free Package Pickup
5.7 million — number of passport applications accepted
109 million — number of money orders issued
497 million — amount in revenue from 2,500 Self-Service Kiosks
70,000 — number of stores, banks and Self-Service Kiosks that sell stamps
654,560 — number of new delivery points added to the network
0 — tax dollars received for operating the Postal Service
* all information based on 2012 data, unless otherwise noted
** as of January 16, 2013
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There is one glaring problem with the tabulation, I do not see any direct indication of the time frame.
I have no problem believing that they deliver " .... 160 billion — number of mail pieces processed ...." per year as I believe just a few years ago they were claiming to be delivering about 1,000,000,000 a working day, but that should be stated somewhere.
Unless in my old age I am missing what is obvious to everyone else.
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And this information probably does not include anything about any of the many contract employees they hire.
Mike
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Just received this over-sized post card from candidates running for the APS Board of Vice Presidents. Kind of unique way to use up those old FDCs we all have sitting around and don't know what to do with.
In case you can't read the ink jet cancel, it reads; KC(MO) 640 06 May 2013.
Mike
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Unique, and also, I would think, illegal. A first day cancellation is, by definition, a cancellation. Unless there is another (mint) stamp on that cover which has been cropped from the scan, that cover should not have passed through the mails.
Tedski
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Gotta agree with you.. this is illegal to do, unless there's a second stamp on it.
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Bingo!
I agree with all of you on this one. I just wonder how many of these were actually mailed out? This one was addressed to the local stamp club and I have not receive one from them personally, so could be these were just sent to APS affiliate stamp clubs, which would still account for several hundred, I'm sure. I'm sure these three gentlemen did not undertake this project themselves and am sure they will be very surprised when they find out how the mailing was handled.
Mike
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As far as these being illegal - you can get the First Day Cancels applied 30-60 days afterwards? My guess is rather than illegal usage, they sent for a first day cancel for promotional purposes, and someone at the USPS goofed and also put them through the sorting/canceling machines, so they were just double canceled.
Josh
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11:38:48am
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Josh is correct about the FDC cancels. I think his explanation is more plausible.
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I'm thought they changed that in US postal rules some time ago though?
Edit: Okay, I'm wrong... I was just checking the AFDCS website.. they have one rule per AFDCS
""In producing first day covers, customers normally have 60 days from a new stamp's date of issue to purchase stamps, affix them to covers, individually address covers and mail them to the [b]first day of issue city[/b]. Covers are then canceled, overwrapped for protection, and delivered back through the mail stream.""
I misread the following...
"Each cover must have sufficient postage to meet current First-Class and/or Foreign First Class requirements. Covers bearing previously canceled stamps and postmarks may be serviced, provided that sufficient additional new (mint) postage, equal to the current First Class rate or Foreign First Class rate, is attached. A previously canceled stamp cannot be canceled again."
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Hi
I managed to dig out one of the covers I mentioned in my earlier post.As you can see the cover was first cancelled on the 9th of May 1988 .The sender has made up the postage with one Christmas Island stamp (which is also illegal) as I understand it, you could not use Christmas Island Indian Ocean stamps produced before 1993 on Australian mail,and one Cocos Keeling Island which I think it is legal to use
Brian
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02:25:09am
re: Something strange here...
Actually that Cocos (Keeling) stamp (issued in 1980) was also used illegally. Cocos (Keeling) Islands stamps issued between 1979 and 1993 (SG 32-295) were not valid for use in Australia. It's not unusual to still see them turning up on mail.
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re: Something strange here...
Which just goes to prove once again that they can make all of the rules and laws they want to, but when it comes to enforcing them that's a different story.
I just found this very interest site about the USPS and want to share the amazing information it contains. Notice that over 70% of their income goes to pay wages.
Mike
Size and Scope
The United States Postal Service delivers more mail to more addresses in a larger geographical area than any other post in the world. The Postal Service delivers to more than152 million homes, businesses and Post Office boxes in every state, city, town and borough in this country. Everyone living in the United States and its territories has access to postal products and services and pays the same postage regardless of their location.
By the Numbers *
65 billion — 2012 revenue, in dollars
160 billion — number of mailpieces processed
40 — percent of the world’s mail volume handled by the Postal Service
1.8 billion — dollar amount paid every two weeks in salaries and benefits
522,144** — number of career employees
108,000** — number of military veteran career employees
31,272 — number of Postal Service-managed retail offices
212,530 — number of vehicles — one of the largest civilian fleets in the world
1.3 billion — number of miles driven each year by letter carriers and truck drivers
39.7 million — number of address changes processed
39 — percent of retail revenue from alternative access channels
423 million — total number of visits to usps.com
67.5 million — number of inquiries handled by the Postal Service Contact Center
246 million — dollar amount of online stamp and retail sales at usps.com
44.1 million — number of Click-N-Ship labels printed
483 million — total revenue, in dollars, from Click-N-Ship label purchases
83.8 million — number of packages picked up using Free Package Pickup
5.7 million — number of passport applications accepted
109 million — number of money orders issued
497 million — amount in revenue from 2,500 Self-Service Kiosks
70,000 — number of stores, banks and Self-Service Kiosks that sell stamps
654,560 — number of new delivery points added to the network
0 — tax dollars received for operating the Postal Service
* all information based on 2012 data, unless otherwise noted
** as of January 16, 2013
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15 May 2013
11:41:34am
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There is one glaring problem with the tabulation, I do not see any direct indication of the time frame.
I have no problem believing that they deliver " .... 160 billion — number of mail pieces processed ...." per year as I believe just a few years ago they were claiming to be delivering about 1,000,000,000 a working day, but that should be stated somewhere.
Unless in my old age I am missing what is obvious to everyone else.
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And this information probably does not include anything about any of the many contract employees they hire.
Mike
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