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The reason I ask about value is that the specialized Cat. doesn't list a value for these stamps on a cover, plus you have the combination of them all and also a first flight. Thanks Dave
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03:19:21pm
Beautiful cover - left me speechless and I don't even collect US.
Kelly
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Show me the collector who does not like a Zeppelin cover ... You really have a nice find there.
Someone owning the Zeppelin specialized catalog will be able to give you a pretty good idea of the value as this is a widely collected area. Not knowing anything else, I would put it at perhaps $30-$40 cash value as Hindenburg first flights are relatively plentiful (check ebay). In my opinion, the colorful franking which required a larger envelope backfired in more than one way. Collectors prefer smaller sized envelopes that can be displayed more easily; because no room was left for the cachet, it is struck on the stamps and barely legible; rate enthusiast prefer single franking or multiple frankings of the same stamp paying the exact rate over contrieved frankings of stamps issued over a ten+ year period (of course at the time, nobody could predict that this is today's preference), and, finally, perhaps due to the cover size, the desirable Zeppelin Frankfurt receipt marking is only partially struck. Also, there are condition issues, opening flaws and some staining. These are ok for "average" condition of commercial mail, but First Flight covers, because designed by philatelists and meant to be kept for collecing puroposes, generally are in a better condition.
On the upside, the Irish destination could be a hidden gem. This needs to be checked acccording to the Zeppelin specialized catalog.
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Could you re-post he image sideways for easier viewing. I only noted that none of the stamps themselves has any real value but as a cover it's very nice. I also agree it's larger envelope size is larger than most collectors like for display/mounting purposes.
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Yes I agree on the size, it doesn't even fit on my scanner the correct way thus the sideways scan. I collect mostly old paper money, national currency but a friend of mine in Hawaii had this. It just came along for the ride with the currency. I thought it was pretty cool. Not being a cover collector really. Thanks for your help and comments. Maybe someone with a Zep Cat will comment.
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thanks for setting them right.
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08:24:26pm
A cover like that or address side of a parcel covered with stamps needed to make up a rate I would try to use in the outer sleeve of one of the binders I use to house the different countries. The larger (thicker) binders are taller and wider than a standard page so I try to decorate each binder with photos, or covers or a page of that country's stamps.
A few years ago I obtained a fairly large calendar from a local Chinese restaurant that has several neat colorful drawings of Dragons and interesting scenes. Having become enamored with things Oriental ever since my first visit to Naha, Okinawa fifty years ago I just could not let my wife tear away those pages and dispose of them. So the ones that I salvaged have a new life, minus any reference to the month, whose days they had enumerated or restaurant that sponsored them as a decoration of some country albums.
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Every time I take my father out for lunch or dinner, I say let's stop at the Chinese restaurants, be he always claims he doesn't like to eat cats. He always says, "You will never see cats around a Chinese restaurant," to which I always say "That's true, but I have never seen an Elephant around a Chinese restaurant either." He usually then, says something similar to "Shut up and drive, son."
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06:16:18pm
Well, if they cooked cats they do it well, indeed and I'll stick to the rule that served me well in Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, The Philippines, Viet Nam,India, Malaya and several nondescript ports along the Mediterranean's south rim; ".... Never ask what it is till a reasonable time after completing digestion. ...."
As long as the chow is very hot and tasty, just shut the eyes and do it for America !
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Right on Charlie. I love Chinese food, but try to shy away from the buffets since I always eat way too much. But then, I'm hungry in a half hour anyway. LOL
Mike
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Hey Dave,
Turing my back on this thread for a day and we are now talking about cats for food? 
We actually do have several members who indicate collecting Zeppelin postal history as per the member database. At least one of our members is also professional cover dealer(Roy?) and could perhaps offer an angle from that perspective.
I have only the third volume of the American Air Mail catalog, which mostly has the FAM routes, and a catalog of the Lufthansa first flights. None of these references has anything on Zeppelin covers.
Arno
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Steve Davis and Saleem Khan are both air mail cover specialists; perhaps they can weigh in.
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03:08:35am
" ... I love Chinese food, but try to shy away from the buffets ...."
Well mike, if you ever come north to the Brooksville/Spring Hill area we have the finest Chinese Buffet Restaurant I have even eaten at. They display several tables of Oriental (Chinese,Japanese and Thai) foods, one with Italian pastas, pizza and the accessories and one that I can only say reminds me of growing up, meat, potatoes, gravy and a veggie or two, plus a Mongolian grill and a table of salads, one of desserts. The place is clean as the proverbial whistle, including the rest rooms, and the servers are sweet.
I'd give the name but that would probably run us afoul of some non-commercial rule.
We also like it when we have a major part of the family along as they have low dividers and can arrange a table for twenty three with little delay in a separate area.
I am getting famished as I think about it.
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That sounds great Charlie. Just dreaming of it must have awaken you, so early in the morning.
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I am no airmail expert, but I do have a small fortune sunk in airmail covers, and I especially like earlier U.S. airmail covers, such as the one that is the focus of this discussion:
I don't think I would have purchased this cover, mainly because it's just not in very good condition. The cover and the stamps are stained, scuffed and creased, kind of like me! If it were in better condition, I probably would have bought it; although it's purely philatelic in nature, its franking and provenance as a cover that was carried on the "Von Hindenburg" do have definite appeal. I think that philatelically used covers are unfairly maligned in our hobby. On occasion, philatelic covers are the only postal artifacts that have survived to provide us with historical evidence of large and small events and circumstances.
The sender of the cover wasn't clear on German airships; the cover was carried not on "Von Hindenburg," who would be Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg, the president of Germany from 1925 until 1934, but on the airship's LZ 129 Hindenburg (Luftschiff Zeppelin #129). I rather doubt that Paul von Hindenburg ever worked as a letter carrier!
I have one zeppelin cover in my collection. At least I used to — not sure if I still do. I've resisted the slippery slope of zep collecting mainly because I don't find zeppelins quite as interesting as the American airliners of the 1930s through 1950s. But the large size of the cover in question doesn't bother me. I don't use standard albums for covers. I store large covers in an oversize Lighthouse album that takes #10 envelopes. If a large cover fits into an exhibit, I join two letter size sheets to create an 11" X 17" sheet. For web pages and slide shows, the size of a cover doesn't matter.
Bob Ingraham
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02:57:16pm
Hi I'd love to hear any comments on this cover and if anyone can put a value on it?
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03:17:32pm
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The reason I ask about value is that the specialized Cat. doesn't list a value for these stamps on a cover, plus you have the combination of them all and also a first flight. Thanks Dave
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12 Mar 2013
03:19:21pm
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Beautiful cover - left me speechless and I don't even collect US.
Kelly
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Show me the collector who does not like a Zeppelin cover ... You really have a nice find there.
Someone owning the Zeppelin specialized catalog will be able to give you a pretty good idea of the value as this is a widely collected area. Not knowing anything else, I would put it at perhaps $30-$40 cash value as Hindenburg first flights are relatively plentiful (check ebay). In my opinion, the colorful franking which required a larger envelope backfired in more than one way. Collectors prefer smaller sized envelopes that can be displayed more easily; because no room was left for the cachet, it is struck on the stamps and barely legible; rate enthusiast prefer single franking or multiple frankings of the same stamp paying the exact rate over contrieved frankings of stamps issued over a ten+ year period (of course at the time, nobody could predict that this is today's preference), and, finally, perhaps due to the cover size, the desirable Zeppelin Frankfurt receipt marking is only partially struck. Also, there are condition issues, opening flaws and some staining. These are ok for "average" condition of commercial mail, but First Flight covers, because designed by philatelists and meant to be kept for collecing puroposes, generally are in a better condition.
On the upside, the Irish destination could be a hidden gem. This needs to be checked acccording to the Zeppelin specialized catalog.
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Could you re-post he image sideways for easier viewing. I only noted that none of the stamps themselves has any real value but as a cover it's very nice. I also agree it's larger envelope size is larger than most collectors like for display/mounting purposes.
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Yes I agree on the size, it doesn't even fit on my scanner the correct way thus the sideways scan. I collect mostly old paper money, national currency but a friend of mine in Hawaii had this. It just came along for the ride with the currency. I thought it was pretty cool. Not being a cover collector really. Thanks for your help and comments. Maybe someone with a Zep Cat will comment.
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thanks for setting them right.
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17 Mar 2013
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A cover like that or address side of a parcel covered with stamps needed to make up a rate I would try to use in the outer sleeve of one of the binders I use to house the different countries. The larger (thicker) binders are taller and wider than a standard page so I try to decorate each binder with photos, or covers or a page of that country's stamps.
A few years ago I obtained a fairly large calendar from a local Chinese restaurant that has several neat colorful drawings of Dragons and interesting scenes. Having become enamored with things Oriental ever since my first visit to Naha, Okinawa fifty years ago I just could not let my wife tear away those pages and dispose of them. So the ones that I salvaged have a new life, minus any reference to the month, whose days they had enumerated or restaurant that sponsored them as a decoration of some country albums.
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Every time I take my father out for lunch or dinner, I say let's stop at the Chinese restaurants, be he always claims he doesn't like to eat cats. He always says, "You will never see cats around a Chinese restaurant," to which I always say "That's true, but I have never seen an Elephant around a Chinese restaurant either." He usually then, says something similar to "Shut up and drive, son."
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19 Mar 2013
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Well, if they cooked cats they do it well, indeed and I'll stick to the rule that served me well in Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, The Philippines, Viet Nam,India, Malaya and several nondescript ports along the Mediterranean's south rim; ".... Never ask what it is till a reasonable time after completing digestion. ...."
As long as the chow is very hot and tasty, just shut the eyes and do it for America !
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Right on Charlie. I love Chinese food, but try to shy away from the buffets since I always eat way too much. But then, I'm hungry in a half hour anyway. LOL
Mike
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Hey Dave,
Turing my back on this thread for a day and we are now talking about cats for food?
We actually do have several members who indicate collecting Zeppelin postal history as per the member database. At least one of our members is also professional cover dealer(Roy?) and could perhaps offer an angle from that perspective.
I have only the third volume of the American Air Mail catalog, which mostly has the FAM routes, and a catalog of the Lufthansa first flights. None of these references has anything on Zeppelin covers.
Arno
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Steve Davis and Saleem Khan are both air mail cover specialists; perhaps they can weigh in.
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22 Mar 2013
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" ... I love Chinese food, but try to shy away from the buffets ...."
Well mike, if you ever come north to the Brooksville/Spring Hill area we have the finest Chinese Buffet Restaurant I have even eaten at. They display several tables of Oriental (Chinese,Japanese and Thai) foods, one with Italian pastas, pizza and the accessories and one that I can only say reminds me of growing up, meat, potatoes, gravy and a veggie or two, plus a Mongolian grill and a table of salads, one of desserts. The place is clean as the proverbial whistle, including the rest rooms, and the servers are sweet.
I'd give the name but that would probably run us afoul of some non-commercial rule.
We also like it when we have a major part of the family along as they have low dividers and can arrange a table for twenty three with little delay in a separate area.
I am getting famished as I think about it.
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That sounds great Charlie. Just dreaming of it must have awaken you, so early in the morning.
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I am no airmail expert, but I do have a small fortune sunk in airmail covers, and I especially like earlier U.S. airmail covers, such as the one that is the focus of this discussion:
I don't think I would have purchased this cover, mainly because it's just not in very good condition. The cover and the stamps are stained, scuffed and creased, kind of like me! If it were in better condition, I probably would have bought it; although it's purely philatelic in nature, its franking and provenance as a cover that was carried on the "Von Hindenburg" do have definite appeal. I think that philatelically used covers are unfairly maligned in our hobby. On occasion, philatelic covers are the only postal artifacts that have survived to provide us with historical evidence of large and small events and circumstances.
The sender of the cover wasn't clear on German airships; the cover was carried not on "Von Hindenburg," who would be Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg, the president of Germany from 1925 until 1934, but on the airship's LZ 129 Hindenburg (Luftschiff Zeppelin #129). I rather doubt that Paul von Hindenburg ever worked as a letter carrier!
I have one zeppelin cover in my collection. At least I used to — not sure if I still do. I've resisted the slippery slope of zep collecting mainly because I don't find zeppelins quite as interesting as the American airliners of the 1930s through 1950s. But the large size of the cover in question doesn't bother me. I don't use standard albums for covers. I store large covers in an oversize Lighthouse album that takes #10 envelopes. If a large cover fits into an exhibit, I join two letter size sheets to create an 11" X 17" sheet. For web pages and slide shows, the size of a cover doesn't matter.
Bob Ingraham
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