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11 Mar 2013
07:15:19pm
Hi all -
I'm looking for more information about these two royalty covers with real coins in them. Here's a small summary of my questions.

1. What is the technical name for a souvenir like these?
2. Is there a catalog ID for these? What is it and what catalog is it in?
3. I have no plans to sell these since I really like them but I am looking for a cv for them for my database. Should I just add the cv of the stamp to the cv of the coins? My father only collects US so he's no help in identifying these coins and determining a value for them.

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11 Mar 2013
08:58:35pm
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

I hate to be sarcastic, but the technical term as far as I am concerned is "Contrived Souvenir."

The old rule of thumb among collectors of antiques is that "If it is made for collectors, it is not a collectable."
The point is that many of these things are produced in volume not for use or to fill a need, but simply to separate a collector from the contents of his or her wallet.

If someone gets some pleasure from ownership, sobeit, but if it was purchased with an eye toward a return on an investment, forgetaboutit!

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11 Mar 2013
09:32:31pm
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

Well, the good news there is that I didn't buy them, they came in a box of goodies that I got for free. I never look at any part of my collection as an investment. It's my hobby and I get tremendous pleasure from everything that I own. Like I said, I have a database for my entire collection for documentation, insurance, sale when I'm gone....who knows? I merely look for identification numbers and cv's to go into that database as I pursue my hobby

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11 Mar 2013
10:59:30pm
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

I have heard that the British call them PNCs: Philatelic Numismatic Covers (not to be confused with the US PNC: Plate Number Coil), befitting their combined collecting areas. I have no idea of the market for GB and BC covers of this ilk, but the US ones I've encountered have had little value (sometimes it's just a matter of finding the right guys or market; sometimes.....).

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11 Mar 2013
11:32:50pm
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

So they pretty much have little to no value. Interesting. At least I have a name for them. By the way, growing up in New England, I always thought it was Gibralta and the New England accent added the "R" at the end. Totally off topic, I know, but I was amazed when I found out it really had an "R". LOL...just something else I learned while collecting stamps!

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11 Mar 2013
11:58:36pm
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

Lisa, I sure don't want to say that they have no value, especially as I'm really more familiar with their American counterparts, not the BC and UK issues. Perhaps topical collectors will value them for their QEII and bicentennial aspects.

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12 Mar 2013
01:06:05am
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

PNCs are sold here in Canada commemorating special events, usually related to Royal events - such as the one you have. Others commemorate Canadian historical events. The value is found in the coin more than the stamp or FDC. The coins are usually different grades of silver or gold. To purchase them is quite expensive depending on the coin. You'd be best to find someone who has knowledge of these presentation covers and find out exactly what type of coin it is.

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12 Mar 2013
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re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

Over here in Aus we call them PNC's,Philatelic Numismatic Covers,Most of them are not worth what they were sold for.The odd one or two command very high prices , namely The Victoria Cross PNC which I think cost $14-95 and now fetches around $300-00.
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12 Mar 2013
10:15:34am
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

David - I know you didn't mean that they don't have value. It seems they have little value to a stamp collector but I'm sure someone who collects these would find value. Kelly is also correct that the bulk of the value would be in the coins which I know very little about.

Does anyone know where I can find an expert to evaluate the coins? By evaluate, I mean take a look at the scan and give me an idea of what they are and what they are worth. I have no intention of paying anyone to evaluate these items! I'm thinking I'll just add the value of the coins to the cv of the stamps for my database.

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12 Mar 2013
12:05:28pm
re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

David and Charlie are both right on the mark with their respective comments. I would echo each of their posts myself.

I would need to see the back (reverse) of the British coin - can't identify it from the obverse. Although it looks to be about the size of a 10 new pence. There was no commemorative issue that I can see for the US Bicentennial. If I'm right, it's like having a US quarter in the cover -- nothing special.

The Gibraltar coin is a commemorative 25 pence for the Silver Wedding anniversary. It catalogues $2.50 in uncirculated condition in my 1997 coin catalog (haven't been active in coins for a number of years, but still dabble). There is no reason to believe that a nickle (as in the metal content) commemorative issue would have appreciated n the intervening years.

Market value (i.e. what you can reasonably expect an interested and knowledgeable collector to pay) for each of these PNC's is about $1.00-$3.00. I sell them all the time as they come up in large cover collections that I buy.

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It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light. - Aristotle Onassis
11 Mar 2013
07:15:19pm

Hi all -
I'm looking for more information about these two royalty covers with real coins in them. Here's a small summary of my questions.

1. What is the technical name for a souvenir like these?
2. Is there a catalog ID for these? What is it and what catalog is it in?
3. I have no plans to sell these since I really like them but I am looking for a cv for them for my database. Should I just add the cv of the stamp to the cv of the coins? My father only collects US so he's no help in identifying these coins and determining a value for them.

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11 Mar 2013
08:58:35pm

re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

I hate to be sarcastic, but the technical term as far as I am concerned is "Contrived Souvenir."

The old rule of thumb among collectors of antiques is that "If it is made for collectors, it is not a collectable."
The point is that many of these things are produced in volume not for use or to fill a need, but simply to separate a collector from the contents of his or her wallet.

If someone gets some pleasure from ownership, sobeit, but if it was purchased with an eye toward a return on an investment, forgetaboutit!

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11 Mar 2013
09:32:31pm

re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

Well, the good news there is that I didn't buy them, they came in a box of goodies that I got for free. I never look at any part of my collection as an investment. It's my hobby and I get tremendous pleasure from everything that I own. Like I said, I have a database for my entire collection for documentation, insurance, sale when I'm gone....who knows? I merely look for identification numbers and cv's to go into that database as I pursue my hobby

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11 Mar 2013
10:59:30pm

re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

I have heard that the British call them PNCs: Philatelic Numismatic Covers (not to be confused with the US PNC: Plate Number Coil), befitting their combined collecting areas. I have no idea of the market for GB and BC covers of this ilk, but the US ones I've encountered have had little value (sometimes it's just a matter of finding the right guys or market; sometimes.....).

David

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11 Mar 2013
11:32:50pm

re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

So they pretty much have little to no value. Interesting. At least I have a name for them. By the way, growing up in New England, I always thought it was Gibralta and the New England accent added the "R" at the end. Totally off topic, I know, but I was amazed when I found out it really had an "R". LOL...just something else I learned while collecting stamps!

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11 Mar 2013
11:58:36pm

re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

Lisa, I sure don't want to say that they have no value, especially as I'm really more familiar with their American counterparts, not the BC and UK issues. Perhaps topical collectors will value them for their QEII and bicentennial aspects.

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12 Mar 2013
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re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

PNCs are sold here in Canada commemorating special events, usually related to Royal events - such as the one you have. Others commemorate Canadian historical events. The value is found in the coin more than the stamp or FDC. The coins are usually different grades of silver or gold. To purchase them is quite expensive depending on the coin. You'd be best to find someone who has knowledge of these presentation covers and find out exactly what type of coin it is.

Kelly

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12 Mar 2013
01:20:19am

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re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

Over here in Aus we call them PNC's,Philatelic Numismatic Covers,Most of them are not worth what they were sold for.The odd one or two command very high prices , namely The Victoria Cross PNC which I think cost $14-95 and now fetches around $300-00.
Here's a couple of mine ,nothing special though.Image Not Found

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Brian

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re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

David - I know you didn't mean that they don't have value. It seems they have little value to a stamp collector but I'm sure someone who collects these would find value. Kelly is also correct that the bulk of the value would be in the coins which I know very little about.

Does anyone know where I can find an expert to evaluate the coins? By evaluate, I mean take a look at the scan and give me an idea of what they are and what they are worth. I have no intention of paying anyone to evaluate these items! I'm thinking I'll just add the value of the coins to the cv of the stamps for my database.

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12 Mar 2013
12:05:28pm

re: More info please - souvenir cover things :-)

David and Charlie are both right on the mark with their respective comments. I would echo each of their posts myself.

I would need to see the back (reverse) of the British coin - can't identify it from the obverse. Although it looks to be about the size of a 10 new pence. There was no commemorative issue that I can see for the US Bicentennial. If I'm right, it's like having a US quarter in the cover -- nothing special.

The Gibraltar coin is a commemorative 25 pence for the Silver Wedding anniversary. It catalogues $2.50 in uncirculated condition in my 1997 coin catalog (haven't been active in coins for a number of years, but still dabble). There is no reason to believe that a nickle (as in the metal content) commemorative issue would have appreciated n the intervening years.

Market value (i.e. what you can reasonably expect an interested and knowledgeable collector to pay) for each of these PNC's is about $1.00-$3.00. I sell them all the time as they come up in large cover collections that I buy.

Roy

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