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Africa/All : Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

 

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Terry
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16 Oct 2012
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My collecting passion is early worldwide airmail issues. I find that there were a lot of early airmail issues that Scott originally did not recognize. Over the years, Scott has begun to recognize many of these issues. However, many mysterious and beautiful airmail issues are still out there. Many are found in other catalogs, such as Michel, Yvert, Facit and Sanabria. The thrill of the search for information is part of the stamp collecting hobby that I really enjoy.

Listed in Sanabria as S1 to S6. This semi-offical set from Algeria was issued for use on May 15, 1930. It was issued to commemorate the centenary of Algeria's annexation by the French. Designed by M. Fauschet, printed on tinted paper in sheets of 10 x 10 and perforated 11. The inscription at the top is ALGER - TUNIS. There was another similar set printed with the top inscription TUNIS - ALGER. That set was printed, but never released for issue.

Does anyone have information about other early worldwide airmail issues that are unlisted by Scott?



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17 Oct 2012
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Okay....

I just received some additional information about this Algerian set from another stamp collecting forum, which I can share with you here.

It seems that this inaugural flight was just one way on May 15, 1930 - from Agler to Tunis, with stops in Setif and Constantine. This explains why the set inscribed TUNIS-ALGER was never issued. The flight was made by an airplane on loan from the Aero Club of Algiers and piloted my Max Knipping. There were 3500 covers that were transported on the trip and these semi-postal stamps were, in fact, obligatory. A regular Algerian postage stamp was affixed to cover the letter rate, but these semi-postal stamps were affixed to cover the postage surcharge for air. The stamps affixed to the covers were even postmarked with a red cancel by the Algerian PTT. When the letters arrived in Tunisia, they were intially refused by the Tunisian postmaster as not having valid postage affixed. However, a call to the Algerian PTT certified that they were valid, and the letters were then allowed into the Tunisian postal system.

Now, I have a great write-up for the specialty album page that I will create for this item in my early worldwide airmail collection!


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17 Oct 2012
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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

Just curious but from the cover pictured did the sender have to use all 6 stamps to cover the air mail postage rate plus additional postage?

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18 Oct 2012
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As far as the cover goes, I'm pretty sure it was a specialty created item. Someone affixed one of each stamp to the cover and posted it to have a nice souvenir of the event. I imagine that 18.75F for the airmail rate was probably overkill. I do not have any information as to what the required airmail rate was in 1930 for the Algerian PTT. That would tell us how many & what value of these stamps were actually required to meet the airmail rate.

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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

Hello,

I've got the 2F, 10F, 25c, and 50c values of the 'unissued' Tunis-Alger set, the one intended for the never-made return flight. Has anyone seen the other two listed for sale anywhere? (1F and 5F)

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tonyfinch

24 Jan 2015
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Does anyone know what type of plane was used for this flight from Algiers to Tunis?

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11 May 2016
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Another set from Africa I had never seen! Thanks for sharing them here at SoR.

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12 May 2016
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Great set that I have never seen before. I will have to keep my eyes open for them.

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14 May 2016
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I collect colonial Africa. I have seen these at auction but never have had possession. The stamps are NOT listed in Yvert, in Algeria, nor Tunisia.

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malcolm197

26 Jun 2016
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They are not mentioned in the SG France under Algeria or Tunisia.

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youpiao
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13 Jul 2018
06:53:25am
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Here's a cover, currently on ebay, with the same franking (the added 50c blue). According to the listing description, the 50c blue paid for the surface postage, and the complete set of S1-S6 was required for the airmail surcharge.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Algeria-1930-Special-Flight-to-Tunis-Sanabria-S1-S6-Semi-Officials-Muller-24/352337200444?hash=item5208ef053c%3Ag%3ADvcAAOSwPqRazU5a&_sacat=260&_nkw=algeria+sanabria&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313

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24 Jul 2018
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Thank you Youpiao for posting the link in the previous post in this thread. I saw it, I clicked on it, I bought the cover, and today I received it:

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And thank you Terry for the information you provided about this cover. It is philatelic, of course, which (in the words I heard so often from my mother) makes me no never mind. But I am curious about the postmarks.

The stamps were cancelled on May 15, 1930, and backstamped in Tunis on the same day. It apparently arrived in Paris on May 19, which makes sense. But what about the second Tunis backstamp, dated it seems, on October 6 (or 16th, or 26th)? What's the explanation for the second Tunis backstop?

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27 Jul 2018
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I posted a response to the original query three days ago (see previous post), but so far no one has responded to my question about the Tunis backstamp on the cover, which appears to have been applied some seven months after the cover was backstamped in Paris. Can anyone shed any light on those widely separated dates?

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30 Jul 2018
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The Tunis and Paris backstamps both appear to be in May (V).
edit: oops. I overlooked the other one, with an X.

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30 Jul 2018
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Anyone know if Terry is still active here? I tried messaging him a couple of times with no response, since he started this tread I thought this might be a good place to post this.

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01 Aug 2018
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The last time Terry signed in was 10 Jan 2018 19:23:11 ,so no idea what has happened
Has anyone else been in touch with him?
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My collecting passion is early worldwide airmail issues. I find that there were a lot of early airmail issues that Scott originally did not recognize. Over the years, Scott has begun to recognize many of these issues. However, many mysterious and beautiful airmail issues are still out there. Many are found in other catalogs, such as Michel, Yvert, Facit and Sanabria. The thrill of the search for information is part of the stamp collecting hobby that I really enjoy.

Listed in Sanabria as S1 to S6. This semi-offical set from Algeria was issued for use on May 15, 1930. It was issued to commemorate the centenary of Algeria's annexation by the French. Designed by M. Fauschet, printed on tinted paper in sheets of 10 x 10 and perforated 11. The inscription at the top is ALGER - TUNIS. There was another similar set printed with the top inscription TUNIS - ALGER. That set was printed, but never released for issue.

Does anyone have information about other early worldwide airmail issues that are unlisted by Scott?



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17 Oct 2012
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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

Okay....

I just received some additional information about this Algerian set from another stamp collecting forum, which I can share with you here.

It seems that this inaugural flight was just one way on May 15, 1930 - from Agler to Tunis, with stops in Setif and Constantine. This explains why the set inscribed TUNIS-ALGER was never issued. The flight was made by an airplane on loan from the Aero Club of Algiers and piloted my Max Knipping. There were 3500 covers that were transported on the trip and these semi-postal stamps were, in fact, obligatory. A regular Algerian postage stamp was affixed to cover the letter rate, but these semi-postal stamps were affixed to cover the postage surcharge for air. The stamps affixed to the covers were even postmarked with a red cancel by the Algerian PTT. When the letters arrived in Tunisia, they were intially refused by the Tunisian postmaster as not having valid postage affixed. However, a call to the Algerian PTT certified that they were valid, and the letters were then allowed into the Tunisian postal system.

Now, I have a great write-up for the specialty album page that I will create for this item in my early worldwide airmail collection!


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17 Oct 2012
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Just curious but from the cover pictured did the sender have to use all 6 stamps to cover the air mail postage rate plus additional postage?

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As far as the cover goes, I'm pretty sure it was a specialty created item. Someone affixed one of each stamp to the cover and posted it to have a nice souvenir of the event. I imagine that 18.75F for the airmail rate was probably overkill. I do not have any information as to what the required airmail rate was in 1930 for the Algerian PTT. That would tell us how many & what value of these stamps were actually required to meet the airmail rate.

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13 Oct 2014
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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

Hello,

I've got the 2F, 10F, 25c, and 50c values of the 'unissued' Tunis-Alger set, the one intended for the never-made return flight. Has anyone seen the other two listed for sale anywhere? (1F and 5F)

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tonyfinch

24 Jan 2015
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Does anyone know what type of plane was used for this flight from Algiers to Tunis?

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11 May 2016
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Another set from Africa I had never seen! Thanks for sharing them here at SoR.

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Great set that I have never seen before. I will have to keep my eyes open for them.

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14 May 2016
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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

I collect colonial Africa. I have seen these at auction but never have had possession. The stamps are NOT listed in Yvert, in Algeria, nor Tunisia.

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malcolm197

26 Jun 2016
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They are not mentioned in the SG France under Algeria or Tunisia.

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youpiao

13 Jul 2018
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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

Here's a cover, currently on ebay, with the same franking (the added 50c blue). According to the listing description, the 50c blue paid for the surface postage, and the complete set of S1-S6 was required for the airmail surcharge.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Algeria-1930-Special-Flight-to-Tunis-Sanabria-S1-S6-Semi-Officials-Muller-24/352337200444?hash=item5208ef053c%3Ag%3ADvcAAOSwPqRazU5a&_sacat=260&_nkw=algeria+sanabria&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313

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24 Jul 2018
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Thank you Youpiao for posting the link in the previous post in this thread. I saw it, I clicked on it, I bought the cover, and today I received it:

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And thank you Terry for the information you provided about this cover. It is philatelic, of course, which (in the words I heard so often from my mother) makes me no never mind. But I am curious about the postmarks.

The stamps were cancelled on May 15, 1930, and backstamped in Tunis on the same day. It apparently arrived in Paris on May 19, which makes sense. But what about the second Tunis backstamp, dated it seems, on October 6 (or 16th, or 26th)? What's the explanation for the second Tunis backstop?

Bob

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27 Jul 2018
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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

I posted a response to the original query three days ago (see previous post), but so far no one has responded to my question about the Tunis backstamp on the cover, which appears to have been applied some seven months after the cover was backstamped in Paris. Can anyone shed any light on those widely separated dates?

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30 Jul 2018
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The Tunis and Paris backstamps both appear to be in May (V).
edit: oops. I overlooked the other one, with an X.

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30 Jul 2018
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re: Algeria: Scott Unlisted Airmail Issues

Anyone know if Terry is still active here? I tried messaging him a couple of times with no response, since he started this tread I thought this might be a good place to post this.

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Bob

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The last time Terry signed in was 10 Jan 2018 19:23:11 ,so no idea what has happened
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Brian

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