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04:32:19pm
When I describe these, most collectors immediately think of "mis-directed" covers -- ones that went where they weren't supposed to, or chased a traveller or military addressee all over the planet - but that's not what interests me.
I like the items that went where they were supposed to, but by a route that, with today's transportation, is not intuitive. Sometimes these (apparently) strange routes are the result of wartime disruptions. Other times, they can be due to the early versions of "hub and spoke" transport. Here's an example of one of those:
Sent from Brazil (I still haven't been able to decipher the town -- any help appreciated) to Haiti in 1924.
Note the routing it took:
Brazil: July 2(?)
Barbados (!!): August 20
New York: Sept 7
Port au Prince Haiti: Sept 17
On a map:
It was a lot closer to its destination (a month earlier) when it was in Barbados!
Roy
P.S. Like this stuff? Let me know -- I've got others!
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04:39:53pm
Here's another one.
This is actually a page from my exhibit on Stamporama of "Very Cool Covers" - an exhibit intended to show non-collectors of covers what it is that cover collectors find interesting about them. Here's the exhibit.
Roy
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Roy - Please post more of your collection. Very interesting!
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Intriguing covers Roy! It would great to see more if you can post them.
My guess for the Brazilian postmark would be Santa Maria in Rio Grande do Sul.
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Yes Roy, I definitely like the sample cover showing the routes. You have others, please contact me. Modern town cancels as well.
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Joel
joelgrebin@yahoo.com
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10:38:43pm
Roy,
Please share more! These are fascinating!
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That is a great exhibit Roy, thanks for setting that up and sharing it with us.
Mike
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Awesome exhibit
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Not sure if this one qualifies:
Local mail from one address in Stafford Springs, CT, to another address in the same town. Processed (cancelled) at the mail factory in Hartford, Connecticut, August 18, 1985.
Transit the next day in Orlando, Florida, August 19, 1985,
then on to Utuado, Puerto Rico, August 24, 1985,
and apparently delivered without further ado.
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It's kind of funny...
Years ago they did what they had to do to get it there.
Today they do it...only they know why.
Sent something to someone locally recently here in Cape Coral, FL. When it was received it had a TAMPA, FL postmark, 100 MILES NORTH of us.
History does seem to repeat itself...LOL
Grant
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Back in the 1980,s,before internet, I sent away for a 30 + kilo box lot from Denmark(advertised in Linns)Some of you might remember those ads,
I wish I would have kept the wrapper but it was falling apart by the time I got the box, It had ended up in Columbia South America instead of British Columbia Canada and it took 6 months before it arrived at the Vancouver airport.
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More in line with Arno's cover and certainly more plebian than any of Roy's but the routing, aside from being wrong, makes no sense. One would need to overshoot NYC, its intended destination, by 643 miles (1,028 km). There are direct flights between Copenhagen (where it was cancelled, although the sender lives in Oegstgeest) and Indianapolis; but perhaps Dutch command of American geography is as pitiful as most Americans'.
David
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12:06:02pm
I have one somewhat ratty cover that attracted my eye at a stamp show a few years ago, that was mailed from Bergen, Norway in early 1940 to a Lars Jensen who lived at an apartment just one or two blocks from where my grand parents lived in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.
It travelled east because of the hostilities between Germany and Great Britain, crossing the Soviet Union to Vladavostok and then across the Pacific by ship to San Francisco and further across the US to its destination.
Unfortunately my father's family were not long lived so I never discovered if Lars was a cousin or uncle, but perhaps now that the 1940 census is open to the public I will find the cover and see if I can make a connection.
These things are so very interesting.
Charlie Jensen
Lecanto, Florida
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amsd, your cover is not postmarked in Copenhagen, Denmark. That would read København. Also the term "post code" has never been used in Danish postmarks. That would read "postnummer" 
Peter
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I believe I've perfectly demonstrated my point on geography
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I think that David's cover was postmarked in Gravenhage, Netherlands.
Bob
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I gave the cover away several years ago to a cover collector, but I had sent for a sample issue of Gibbons' monthly stamp magazine. I forgot about my request, figuring that they either did not get my card, or were not going to send a sample to the USA due to the postage costs. Well, it finally did arrive six months later. It had an ancillary marking "Missent to Thailand". So, UK to Thailand to Texas.
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I am Siam I am
and, if it had a seal on it, it would be a tied-on Thai cover
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I saw the resurrection of an old thread. I haven't really researched this one. Here's one that went all over the place. It started in Maine on July 29th of '05 and ended up in Lucerne by way of London then Forwarded to Paris and Geneva.
Front of cover
Front of cover rotated 180 degrees (to read postmarks)
the back of cover
back of cover rotated 180 degrees
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10 May 2012
04:32:19pm
One of my collecting interests is "Covers that traveled unusual routes".
When I describe these, most collectors immediately think of "mis-directed" covers -- ones that went where they weren't supposed to, or chased a traveller or military addressee all over the planet - but that's not what interests me.
I like the items that went where they were supposed to, but by a route that, with today's transportation, is not intuitive. Sometimes these (apparently) strange routes are the result of wartime disruptions. Other times, they can be due to the early versions of "hub and spoke" transport. Here's an example of one of those:
Sent from Brazil (I still haven't been able to decipher the town -- any help appreciated) to Haiti in 1924.
Note the routing it took:
Brazil: July 2(?)
Barbados (!!): August 20
New York: Sept 7
Port au Prince Haiti: Sept 17
On a map:
It was a lot closer to its destination (a month earlier) when it was in Barbados!
Roy
P.S. Like this stuff? Let me know -- I've got others!
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10 May 2012
04:39:53pm
re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
Here's another one.
This is actually a page from my exhibit on Stamporama of "Very Cool Covers" - an exhibit intended to show non-collectors of covers what it is that cover collectors find interesting about them. Here's the exhibit.
Roy
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05:07:37pm
re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
Roy - Please post more of your collection. Very interesting!
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Intriguing covers Roy! It would great to see more if you can post them.
My guess for the Brazilian postmark would be Santa Maria in Rio Grande do Sul.
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09:52:59pm
re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
Yes Roy, I definitely like the sample cover showing the routes. You have others, please contact me. Modern town cancels as well.
Thanks
Joel
joelgrebin@yahoo.com
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10 May 2012
10:38:43pm
re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
Roy,
Please share more! These are fascinating!
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That is a great exhibit Roy, thanks for setting that up and sharing it with us.
Mike
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
Awesome exhibit
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
Not sure if this one qualifies:
Local mail from one address in Stafford Springs, CT, to another address in the same town. Processed (cancelled) at the mail factory in Hartford, Connecticut, August 18, 1985.
Transit the next day in Orlando, Florida, August 19, 1985,
then on to Utuado, Puerto Rico, August 24, 1985,
and apparently delivered without further ado.
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05:31:45pm
re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
It's kind of funny...
Years ago they did what they had to do to get it there.
Today they do it...only they know why.
Sent something to someone locally recently here in Cape Coral, FL. When it was received it had a TAMPA, FL postmark, 100 MILES NORTH of us.
History does seem to repeat itself...LOL
Grant
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
Back in the 1980,s,before internet, I sent away for a 30 + kilo box lot from Denmark(advertised in Linns)Some of you might remember those ads,
I wish I would have kept the wrapper but it was falling apart by the time I got the box, It had ended up in Columbia South America instead of British Columbia Canada and it took 6 months before it arrived at the Vancouver airport.
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
More in line with Arno's cover and certainly more plebian than any of Roy's but the routing, aside from being wrong, makes no sense. One would need to overshoot NYC, its intended destination, by 643 miles (1,028 km). There are direct flights between Copenhagen (where it was cancelled, although the sender lives in Oegstgeest) and Indianapolis; but perhaps Dutch command of American geography is as pitiful as most Americans'.
David
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14 Jun 2012
12:06:02pm
re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
I have one somewhat ratty cover that attracted my eye at a stamp show a few years ago, that was mailed from Bergen, Norway in early 1940 to a Lars Jensen who lived at an apartment just one or two blocks from where my grand parents lived in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.
It travelled east because of the hostilities between Germany and Great Britain, crossing the Soviet Union to Vladavostok and then across the Pacific by ship to San Francisco and further across the US to its destination.
Unfortunately my father's family were not long lived so I never discovered if Lars was a cousin or uncle, but perhaps now that the 1940 census is open to the public I will find the cover and see if I can make a connection.
These things are so very interesting.
Charlie Jensen
Lecanto, Florida
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
amsd, your cover is not postmarked in Copenhagen, Denmark. That would read København. Also the term "post code" has never been used in Danish postmarks. That would read "postnummer"
Peter
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
I believe I've perfectly demonstrated my point on geography
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
I think that David's cover was postmarked in Gravenhage, Netherlands.
Bob
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01:06:53am
re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
I gave the cover away several years ago to a cover collector, but I had sent for a sample issue of Gibbons' monthly stamp magazine. I forgot about my request, figuring that they either did not get my card, or were not going to send a sample to the USA due to the postage costs. Well, it finally did arrive six months later. It had an ancillary marking "Missent to Thailand". So, UK to Thailand to Texas.
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
I am Siam I am
and, if it had a seal on it, it would be a tied-on Thai cover
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re: Covers that travelled unusual routes
I saw the resurrection of an old thread. I haven't really researched this one. Here's one that went all over the place. It started in Maine on July 29th of '05 and ended up in Lucerne by way of London then Forwarded to Paris and Geneva.
Front of cover
Front of cover rotated 180 degrees (to read postmarks)
the back of cover
back of cover rotated 180 degrees
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