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United States/BOB & Other : What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

 

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03 May 2012
07:16:42pm
I recently picked up a plate block of #C3 with a plate number of 8492, and I checked to see the plate number of the famous inverted #C3 and it is plate #8493. Is it possible the plate block I have was on the sheet just prior to the guy who bought the inverted sheet?

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What are the odds of that happening?

Perry

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pre1940classics

03 May 2012
09:00:59pm
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Awesome find! Definitely a conversation/collectible!

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03 May 2012
11:36:48pm
re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

One in 21,348. Since there were 2,134,888 stamps produced in sheets of 100, so roughly 21,348 sheets. (no idea how the 88 came about!)

For the record, two plates were used for each sheet, a red and blue, and only one plate number of each was used. Each sheet had both plate numbers on it.

Here's what a complete plate block looks like:
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04 May 2012
09:43:18am
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Thanks Roy, what an awesome Plate Block....note the two numbers match my # and also the inverted Jenny #.

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04 May 2012
10:39:53am
re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

That's because those were the only two plate numbers used: 8492 for the red, 8493 for the blue.

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05 May 2012
04:20:44pm
re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

The interesting thing about the Jenny's is that they were printed with plates having only a hundred subjects each. In the case of C3, the stamps had to be printed twice hence the invert. The sheet was purchased in Washington on the very first day of sale. When Robey asked if there were any more like the one he had just purchased, the clerk demanded the sheet be returned. You can bet that the Post Office department went through every sheet in stock to be sure that there were no more error sheets in the stock.

However the double run has produced some other interesting varieties like the "fast" Jenny shown here from my collection
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As you can see the Jenny is about to fly out of the frame.

Plate numbers are not actual sheet numbers but are used to identify and account for the plates at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

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05 May 2012
04:31:02pm
re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Roy's block looks to me like his stamps are are 'fast' Jenny's too. Are they?

Liz

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05 May 2012
07:14:26pm
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If that one is flying out of the frame then this one is landing.

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06 May 2012
07:21:25am
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I wish I knew who to give credit to for this. A friend of mine who knew I collected stamps sent this to me.

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06 May 2012
03:56:10pm
re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Well, at least you can say that your Jenny is partially inverted.
Roger

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31 Jul 2012
07:14:07pm
re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Just one more piece of "Jenny" trivia.

The vignette of the aircraft was printed first.
Then the sheet was inserted in reverse.
So actually it is an inverted frame.
But such inconvenient facts seldom trump cultural legends.

Jenny kissed me when we met,
Jumping from the chair she set in,
Time, you thief, who love to get,
Sweets into your list, put thet in!

Say I'm weary, say I'm sad,
Say that health and wealth have miss'd me,
Say I'm growing old, but add,
Jenny kissed me.
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19 Jun 2013
04:41:35pm
re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Roy:

Your plateblock is from the third printing.

The first printing just had the guidelines and the pplate numbers.

The second printing had the same plus the TOP at the left.

The third printing had the same plus the TOP at the right.

David

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sponthetrona2

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03 May 2012
07:16:42pm

I recently picked up a plate block of #C3 with a plate number of 8492, and I checked to see the plate number of the famous inverted #C3 and it is plate #8493. Is it possible the plate block I have was on the sheet just prior to the guy who bought the inverted sheet?

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What are the odds of that happening?

Perry

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pre1940classics

03 May 2012
09:00:59pm

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Awesome find! Definitely a conversation/collectible!

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03 May 2012
11:36:48pm

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

One in 21,348. Since there were 2,134,888 stamps produced in sheets of 100, so roughly 21,348 sheets. (no idea how the 88 came about!)

For the record, two plates were used for each sheet, a red and blue, and only one plate number of each was used. Each sheet had both plate numbers on it.

Here's what a complete plate block looks like:
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Roy

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04 May 2012
09:43:18am

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Thanks Roy, what an awesome Plate Block....note the two numbers match my # and also the inverted Jenny #.

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04 May 2012
10:39:53am

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

That's because those were the only two plate numbers used: 8492 for the red, 8493 for the blue.

Roy

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Les

05 May 2012
04:20:44pm

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

The interesting thing about the Jenny's is that they were printed with plates having only a hundred subjects each. In the case of C3, the stamps had to be printed twice hence the invert. The sheet was purchased in Washington on the very first day of sale. When Robey asked if there were any more like the one he had just purchased, the clerk demanded the sheet be returned. You can bet that the Post Office department went through every sheet in stock to be sure that there were no more error sheets in the stock.

However the double run has produced some other interesting varieties like the "fast" Jenny shown here from my collection
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As you can see the Jenny is about to fly out of the frame.

Plate numbers are not actual sheet numbers but are used to identify and account for the plates at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

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Patches

Liz

05 May 2012
04:31:02pm

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Roy's block looks to me like his stamps are are 'fast' Jenny's too. Are they?

Liz

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05 May 2012
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re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

If that one is flying out of the frame then this one is landing.

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I wish I knew who to give credit to for this. A friend of mine who knew I collected stamps sent this to me.

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06 May 2012
03:56:10pm

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Well, at least you can say that your Jenny is partially inverted.
Roger

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31 Jul 2012
07:14:07pm

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Just one more piece of "Jenny" trivia.

The vignette of the aircraft was printed first.
Then the sheet was inserted in reverse.
So actually it is an inverted frame.
But such inconvenient facts seldom trump cultural legends.

Jenny kissed me when we met,
Jumping from the chair she set in,
Time, you thief, who love to get,
Sweets into your list, put thet in!

Say I'm weary, say I'm sad,
Say that health and wealth have miss'd me,
Say I'm growing old, but add,
Jenny kissed me.
------- Leigh Hunt

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19 Jun 2013
04:41:35pm

re: What are the odds? US #C3 plate numbers

Roy:

Your plateblock is from the third printing.

The first printing just had the guidelines and the pplate numbers.

The second printing had the same plus the TOP at the left.

The third printing had the same plus the TOP at the right.

David

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