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08:58:36pm
Here's a way to tell one from another!
First of all, neither perforation gauge not watermark detector will help. All the issues are perf 11 x 12, and all are watermarked Crown and GvR (Scott wmk #34). So where to start?
The easiest path is to start with the latest issue and work backwards.
The last issue (Scott #222-24) is the easiest to tell. It is called the "Waterlow re-engraved issue". Look at this picture:
The Waterlow re-engraved issue of 1934 (Scott 222-4) has a cross-hatched background behind the king's head. All the others have only horizontal lines. If your's is cross hatched, you've identified it! If it has horizontal lines, more investigation is necessary.
Ok, so you have horizontal lines -- could still be one of three issues. Look at this picture.
See the dot in the top center of the stamp in back? If your stamp has one, you have identified it. Only the Bradbury Wilkinson (BW) printing of 1919 has the dot (Scott #179-181). If the dot is there, it's definite, but not all the BW stamps have the dot! so the absence of the dot proves nothing!
No dot? Check the vertical dimension, from outer frame-line to outer frame line. The BW stamps are 22 3/4mm. If that's yours, you have Scott #179-81 -- dot or no dot! The remaining two possibilities are only 22mm. The difference doesn't sound like much, but if you have a good perf gauge, it should have a precise millimeter scale, and the difference is obvious. These pictures are not to scale!!
So your stamp is 22mm high! (It had better be at this point, or you missed something!) Still two choices -- the two earliest printings. Scott #173-176 was printed by Waterlow Brothers & Layton Printing in 1913. Scott #173a-75a was printed by De La Rue & Co.
Look at this picture:
Now you look at the perfs. De La Rue (#173a-75a) has two big teeth top right and top left, plus smaller perf holes. This is the trickiest step and a reference copy would help a lot. But look at a few and you will soon see the difference.
Now go to your local stamp club and be the expert!
Roy
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Learn something new everyday. You make it so simple Roy.
Thank you.
Grant
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Thanks Roy,Very helpful
Lee
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wow, I've got one these stamps.... I'm eager to measure it now! thank you for this post, its so fun to learn something new about a "plain old stamp" I've owned for ages.
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Thanks Roy.
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Roy:
I do not (yet) have these stamps but have printed your tutorial and filed it with my "just in case" papers.
Thanks for the education.
John Derry
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This is so simple that even I can follow it. Thanks so much!
Andrew
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Thanks for that information Roy. It certainly helps simplify a sometimes boring task.
I don't recall having ever seen a "dot" on any of the stamps that I have gone through, and, so this will really aid in the identification of them.
Mike
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Very useful Roy! Thanks. 
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Wow,
Very interesting and I don't even collect GB!
Dave N.
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Thank you Roy! Definitely one of my favorite Great Britain issues!
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07:18:23pm
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Mine too! I just bought these:
(Waterlow re-engraved Scott 222-24)
Can hardly wait until they arrive!
Roy
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Nice color and centering, esp. on the 10' since that is the priciest piece!
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Excellent tutorial! Thank you Roy!
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Indeed very thorough information, thanks a million!
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Great information on a subject I've spent hours trying to properly understand. Thanks Roy for simplifying it for all of us.
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Best info I've ever seen here. I'll bet Lacey taught you that.
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Thanks for the reminder. We have so many good tips, analyses and information buried in old discussion posts. Oh how I wish they could all be indexed and searchable. Great info Roy!
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02:44:36am
" ....Oh how I wish they could all be indexed and searchable. Great info Roy! ...."
We started that project several years ago but there did not seem to be enough member support to carry it on.
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Great summary Roy.
Now, is anyone brave enough to identify the 14 shades of the 1915-18 DLR 2/6d?
One of life's larger challenges................
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Its been nearly a dozen years since Roy shared the very informative tutorial. Felt it worthy of "reposting".
Came across it in the archives today after becoming confused by what I believe are conflicting "notes" in Scott.
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03:33:31pm
I don't collect GB as such, but I am actively looking for the early overprinted versions that turn them into Irish stamps. I must check to see if this information is needed. Thanks for re-posting this!!
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04 Apr 2012
08:58:36pm
This very popular issue causes a quite a bit of confusion, but it's really quite simple to identify one from another. There are four different issues (except there is only one 1 pound green)
Here's a way to tell one from another!
First of all, neither perforation gauge not watermark detector will help. All the issues are perf 11 x 12, and all are watermarked Crown and GvR (Scott wmk #34). So where to start?
The easiest path is to start with the latest issue and work backwards.
The last issue (Scott #222-24) is the easiest to tell. It is called the "Waterlow re-engraved issue". Look at this picture:
The Waterlow re-engraved issue of 1934 (Scott 222-4) has a cross-hatched background behind the king's head. All the others have only horizontal lines. If your's is cross hatched, you've identified it! If it has horizontal lines, more investigation is necessary.
Ok, so you have horizontal lines -- could still be one of three issues. Look at this picture.
See the dot in the top center of the stamp in back? If your stamp has one, you have identified it. Only the Bradbury Wilkinson (BW) printing of 1919 has the dot (Scott #179-181). If the dot is there, it's definite, but not all the BW stamps have the dot! so the absence of the dot proves nothing!
No dot? Check the vertical dimension, from outer frame-line to outer frame line. The BW stamps are 22 3/4mm. If that's yours, you have Scott #179-81 -- dot or no dot! The remaining two possibilities are only 22mm. The difference doesn't sound like much, but if you have a good perf gauge, it should have a precise millimeter scale, and the difference is obvious. These pictures are not to scale!!
So your stamp is 22mm high! (It had better be at this point, or you missed something!) Still two choices -- the two earliest printings. Scott #173-176 was printed by Waterlow Brothers & Layton Printing in 1913. Scott #173a-75a was printed by De La Rue & Co.
Look at this picture:
Now you look at the perfs. De La Rue (#173a-75a) has two big teeth top right and top left, plus smaller perf holes. This is the trickiest step and a reference copy would help a lot. But look at a few and you will soon see the difference.
Now go to your local stamp club and be the expert!
Roy
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09:13:52pm
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Learn something new everyday. You make it so simple Roy.
Thank you.
Grant
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Thanks Roy,Very helpful
Lee
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wow, I've got one these stamps.... I'm eager to measure it now! thank you for this post, its so fun to learn something new about a "plain old stamp" I've owned for ages.
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Thanks Roy.
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05 Apr 2012
03:25:07pm
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Roy:
I do not (yet) have these stamps but have printed your tutorial and filed it with my "just in case" papers.
Thanks for the education.
John Derry
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This is so simple that even I can follow it. Thanks so much!
Andrew
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Thanks for that information Roy. It certainly helps simplify a sometimes boring task.
I don't recall having ever seen a "dot" on any of the stamps that I have gone through, and, so this will really aid in the identification of them.
Mike
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Very useful Roy! Thanks.
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Wow,
Very interesting and I don't even collect GB!
Dave N.
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07:12:32pm
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Thank you Roy! Definitely one of my favorite Great Britain issues!
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08 Apr 2012
07:18:23pm
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@pre1940classics
Mine too! I just bought these:
(Waterlow re-engraved Scott 222-24)
Can hardly wait until they arrive!
Roy
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10:20:50pm
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Nice color and centering, esp. on the 10' since that is the priciest piece!
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Excellent tutorial! Thank you Roy!
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Indeed very thorough information, thanks a million!
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06:00:36pm
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Great information on a subject I've spent hours trying to properly understand. Thanks Roy for simplifying it for all of us.
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06:36:58pm
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Best info I've ever seen here. I'll bet Lacey taught you that.
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Thanks for the reminder. We have so many good tips, analyses and information buried in old discussion posts. Oh how I wish they could all be indexed and searchable. Great info Roy!
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26 May 2021
02:44:36am
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" ....Oh how I wish they could all be indexed and searchable. Great info Roy! ...."
We started that project several years ago but there did not seem to be enough member support to carry it on.
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Great summary Roy.
Now, is anyone brave enough to identify the 14 shades of the 1915-18 DLR 2/6d?
One of life's larger challenges................
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03:25:28pm
re: A short tutorial on Great Britain Seahorse issues
Its been nearly a dozen years since Roy shared the very informative tutorial. Felt it worthy of "reposting".
Came across it in the archives today after becoming confused by what I believe are conflicting "notes" in Scott.
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26 Jan 2023
03:33:31pm
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I don't collect GB as such, but I am actively looking for the early overprinted versions that turn them into Irish stamps. I must check to see if this information is needed. Thanks for re-posting this!!
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