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11 Mar 2012
01:44:22pm
Hi Everyone,
I believe this stamp is an Australian #57 (from Scott 2007).

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My Scott 2007 says that this stamp should be a Die IV, which means that it should have a break in the outside border just between the "S" and the "T" in Australia. I can't see any break there. I think this is a Die II.

Normally a Die I has a break in the inner border just to the left of top of the denomination. Die II normally has no breaks in either inner or outer border. Die III has a break in the inner border on the left in line with the nose of the Kangaroo and Die IV has the break in the outer border between the S and the T.

What do you guys think? Is Scott wrong and this is a variation that they haven't documented? Am I blind (which is happening more and more)?

Regards ... Tim.


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11 Mar 2012
04:00:00pm

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Hello friend!

Yes, is the Die II, they not have more differences. I checked my notes and is the same information.

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I hope this helps.

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Rodolfo

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11 Mar 2012
04:06:58pm
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

Thanks Rodolfo, that is interesting. So that is a variety that neither my Scott 2007, my Australiasian Stamp Catalog or my album documents. I haven't found something like that before.

What book did you take these images from? It documents these die varieties very well.

Thanks again for your help.

Regards ... Tim.


Ps. Could someone who has a more current Scott catalog than my 2007 version please check to see if there is a #57 die II listed in the Australian section?


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11 Mar 2012
05:34:44pm
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

My Scott's 2012 only lists type IV for Scott 57.

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11 Mar 2012
05:40:24pm
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

Thanks Bob. Looks like I have an exception to the norm.

Regards ... Tim.

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michael78651
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11 Mar 2012
11:06:24pm
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

Gibbons adds a little to this.

SG #75 is SG Die IIB (this is the same as Scott #57 and Die IV.

Gibbons offers one more thing to look at. The 1 pound stamp has an incomplete corner to the inner frame line at the top right.

Neither Scott nor Gibbons mention this stamp being produced under a different die. Maybe you should contact Scott and see if you can get the stamp listed if it is a Die II?

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12 Mar 2012
11:21:40am
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

I hate to even bring this up but my first impression when I saw Tim's scan was that the kangaroo looked crude and may be a forgery. I am not an expert in this area by any means. I searched the internet for other images of this stamp. I'm not 100% sure the image I found is legit but here is a side by side comparison. Tim's image is on the left. Like I said, I'm not an expert and can be way off. But I think this has to be a possibility. Sorry Tim...Image Not Found


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12 Mar 2012
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Hi friends!

Tim.- a few years ago I obtained my notes of the Scott Stamp Monthly (I not remember the number and I forgot to save it, sorry).

About the stamp, Look genuine for me. I know that the fake £1 stamps do not have Watermarks and the paper is a bit thick.

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12 Mar 2012
06:41:07pm
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Bob and Rodolfo,
Thank you both for your research on this issue for me. You raise and interesting question Bob that I hadn't considered. The stamp does have an appropriate watermark and I found an article on the web, Linn's I think, where it was talking about the one pound stamp being produced in a Die II, which is what I think this is assuming it is real. I wish I could swap it for the stamp that you found Bob, but I'll keep it in my collection until I can find a better one. This stamp has a catalog value of $350, if this one isn't real it will just have to do.

Thanks again .... Tim.

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12 Mar 2012
08:33:50pm
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

Maybe you can post this on StampBoards which is an Australian based discussion group. Looks like there are a lot of experts there.

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12 Mar 2012
08:37:46pm
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

Tim,

What concerns me most about your stamp is the back of the kangaroo. It looks like a blob of black ink. The kangaroo in the other stamp seems to have fine lines running through it breaking it up with some white in it. Perhaps yours is a worn plate although it's typographed. Like I said, I'm not an expert in this area. I hope it is real and the one I posted is fake. Actually sometimes fakes look better than the real stamp and that is how you know it is fake.

Bob

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12 Mar 2012
09:34:34pm
re: Need help with an Australian Kangaroo

Wow, Bob, you sure opened up a can of worms!

Seeing the two side by side, there certainly are many major differences between them. The original was lithographed. Tim's stamp looks typographed, and the major design components: value, circle, for example appear to be too small.

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12 Mar 2012
10:16:51pm
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You have a good point Bob. There sure are a lot of differences between the two stamps.

Tim.

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