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I found this stamp in my collection. are these kind of errors valuable or worthless? I know the stamp is in bad shape, Chris
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These are not errors.
What you have are damaged stamps. They got stuck together and were incorrectly pulled apart, causing the damage. The stamps you have pictured are worthless.
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Dear Chrisky1 & Michael,
Not so fast guys. Is the second stamp on the back of the original torn Remington perhaps a roller transfer from a plate? Note the reverse image and the perforation as possible clues.
As to worth-that is a tricky thing-personally I've never met a stamp that I couldn't love, from wounded ducks to space fillers-but I'm an accumulator and my view doesn't really count. Michael is right that it isn't of a rarity to be worth bucks-but worthless-never I say, never.
Perhaps it is destined to be the first of a collection of EFO's, or to be donated to an artist who may immortalize it in a work of art- whatever it may be, it is a piece of passing history looking for a place. Wish it well as it continues on its journey.
If you really have no great feeling for it, perhaps put it into auction at a minimal bid and see if indeed others may not find it worthy. Just a thought.
Dan C.
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That's what I thought but why do the perf,holes go through both stamps, was this done when stamps were printed, Chris
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so, in the absence of a tactile review, from the image alone I'd guess that the stamps had been stuck together in a drawer long after the stamps had been printed and distributed; that is, this isn't a production fault but something post-production. I think they got stuck together and the INK from the dam was captured on the GUM of the Remington stamp. Because it's only INK, and not paper, there's nothing to interfere with the pre-existing perforations. If my supposition is correct, they are worth 4c, the face value of the Remington stamp.
There may certainly be other explanations, but that's my guess.
David
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The stamps were not printed at the same time, so you can't have a roller transfer. Also you can see the perforations of the green stamp stuck to the back of the Remington stamp, so these are both finished stamps that somehow got stuck down together. The Remington stamp was stuck down on something else as evident from the torn corner.
The holes are there, and showing through the design of the green stamp on the back of the Remington stamp, because when someone pulled off the green stamp, only the paper that was stuck to the gum of the Remington stamp stayed on the Remington stamp. There is no gum on the holes, therefore the paper covering the holes lifted off.
As David said, a stamp error is the result of something that went drastically wrong during production. This is NOT an example of a production error. The damage caused here is aftermarket damage caused by the error of improper care.
Anyone who wants to buy stamps that look like this, I will create as many as you want. Just let me know. :)
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Hi Chris,
The telltale clue that the "stamp" on the back of your Remington is just an image transfer is that it is printed in reverse. Yeah, it's likely that it got stuck on and the ink leeched onto the back of the stamp (some pretty strong solvents at work there, to transfer the image so well). On the other hand, the Remington is interesting. If you look at the tear, you see at least some of the border appears to be carried over to the contour of the tear on the front of the stamp. That would make what you have printer's waste - damaged or test stamps that are run through the presses, but are removed as part of the quality control process. On yet another hand, the picture's not 100% clear - and maybe what I'm seeing is the edge up in that corner folded over upon itself, giving that border effect to the stamp. It's hard to tell from the picture.
I'm with Dan on this one. Never dismiss a stamp out of hand. Each one has the potential to tell a great story...
Andrew
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This is not printer's waste. It is not an image transfer caused during the printing process. The stamps were not printed at the same time, and they were not printed on the same printing press. They were not printed using the same printing process either. Therefore the two stamps could not have come in contact with each other during the manufacturing stage.
If you soak the stamps, you will find the thinned, green stamp (what's left of it) will peel off. This is merely two stamps from a larger group of stamps that got stuck together from improper storage, and someone tried to pull them apart.
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03:26:41pm
I found this stamp in my collection. are these kind of errors valuable or worthless? I know the stamp is in bad shape, Chris
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04:27:40pm
re: Is this error worthless or priceless?
These are not errors.
What you have are damaged stamps. They got stuck together and were incorrectly pulled apart, causing the damage. The stamps you have pictured are worthless.
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re: Is this error worthless or priceless?
Dear Chrisky1 & Michael,
Not so fast guys. Is the second stamp on the back of the original torn Remington perhaps a roller transfer from a plate? Note the reverse image and the perforation as possible clues.
As to worth-that is a tricky thing-personally I've never met a stamp that I couldn't love, from wounded ducks to space fillers-but I'm an accumulator and my view doesn't really count. Michael is right that it isn't of a rarity to be worth bucks-but worthless-never I say, never.
Perhaps it is destined to be the first of a collection of EFO's, or to be donated to an artist who may immortalize it in a work of art- whatever it may be, it is a piece of passing history looking for a place. Wish it well as it continues on its journey.
If you really have no great feeling for it, perhaps put it into auction at a minimal bid and see if indeed others may not find it worthy. Just a thought.
Dan C.
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04:44:17pm
re: Is this error worthless or priceless?
That's what I thought but why do the perf,holes go through both stamps, was this done when stamps were printed, Chris
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re: Is this error worthless or priceless?
so, in the absence of a tactile review, from the image alone I'd guess that the stamps had been stuck together in a drawer long after the stamps had been printed and distributed; that is, this isn't a production fault but something post-production. I think they got stuck together and the INK from the dam was captured on the GUM of the Remington stamp. Because it's only INK, and not paper, there's nothing to interfere with the pre-existing perforations. If my supposition is correct, they are worth 4c, the face value of the Remington stamp.
There may certainly be other explanations, but that's my guess.
David
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06:46:54pm
re: Is this error worthless or priceless?
The stamps were not printed at the same time, so you can't have a roller transfer. Also you can see the perforations of the green stamp stuck to the back of the Remington stamp, so these are both finished stamps that somehow got stuck down together. The Remington stamp was stuck down on something else as evident from the torn corner.
The holes are there, and showing through the design of the green stamp on the back of the Remington stamp, because when someone pulled off the green stamp, only the paper that was stuck to the gum of the Remington stamp stayed on the Remington stamp. There is no gum on the holes, therefore the paper covering the holes lifted off.
As David said, a stamp error is the result of something that went drastically wrong during production. This is NOT an example of a production error. The damage caused here is aftermarket damage caused by the error of improper care.
Anyone who wants to buy stamps that look like this, I will create as many as you want. Just let me know. :)
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re: Is this error worthless or priceless?
Hi Chris,
The telltale clue that the "stamp" on the back of your Remington is just an image transfer is that it is printed in reverse. Yeah, it's likely that it got stuck on and the ink leeched onto the back of the stamp (some pretty strong solvents at work there, to transfer the image so well). On the other hand, the Remington is interesting. If you look at the tear, you see at least some of the border appears to be carried over to the contour of the tear on the front of the stamp. That would make what you have printer's waste - damaged or test stamps that are run through the presses, but are removed as part of the quality control process. On yet another hand, the picture's not 100% clear - and maybe what I'm seeing is the edge up in that corner folded over upon itself, giving that border effect to the stamp. It's hard to tell from the picture.
I'm with Dan on this one. Never dismiss a stamp out of hand. Each one has the potential to tell a great story...
Andrew
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08:10:50pm
re: Is this error worthless or priceless?
This is not printer's waste. It is not an image transfer caused during the printing process. The stamps were not printed at the same time, and they were not printed on the same printing press. They were not printed using the same printing process either. Therefore the two stamps could not have come in contact with each other during the manufacturing stage.
If you soak the stamps, you will find the thinned, green stamp (what's left of it) will peel off. This is merely two stamps from a larger group of stamps that got stuck together from improper storage, and someone tried to pull them apart.
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