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Europe/Great Britain : GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

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BadihBarakat
11 Sep 2011
12:24:39pm
Hi,

I was looking for this GB stamp in the Scott Catalog but i couldn't find it.
Can any body give any details about it and what might be the value?

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Thanks,

BadihBarakat

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11 Sep 2011
01:31:31pm
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

guessing it's a cut square from postal stationary; Scott doesn't list GB PSEs and PCs. Stanley or Michel do, I believe.

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11 Sep 2011
01:35:25pm
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

Definitely a cutting from an envelope.
Many collectors collect "Cut Squares" or when vailable "Entires", the whole envelope.

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11 Sep 2011
05:33:23pm
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

glad Charlie confirmed it as a cut square. you'll note that the shape is not square at all, but cut, rougtly, to the oval shape. This is often seen, especially from BC PSEs and PCs.

thanks, Charlie

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12 Sep 2011
09:53:43am
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

The value will be very low.

I consulted my Michel 2003/04 postal stationary catalog. Unfortunately it is impossible to pinpoint the exact postal stationary envelope this was cut from. This depends on the size of the envelope, the shape of the envelope flap, the sort of the paper etc. all of which are difficult or impossible to determine now. There are many varieties, but the most common used entires in sound condition with this stamp design catalog for as low as EUR 2.00. So what would you estimate is a cut piece from the envelope valued at?

The bad news is that the cancellation is from an Irish locale. So, if intact it would have been a really nice piece and in my opinion would have had a lot of interest. I am not an expert on British stamps used in Ireland, though. Someone else may have to weigh in and confirm if an interest in these precursors really exists. Since the postmark is not complete, again do not expect anything of major value, though. I think $0.20 as opposed to a case for the trash can.

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12 Sep 2011
10:13:34am
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

" ...But any idea about the values of these things? ..."
That begs the question, "To whom ?"
To me, it looks perfectly worthless, to be tossed in an old cigar box and probably given away to someone who collects cut squares, even if they are sort of round or octagonal, or traded for some stamps that he feels are equally worthless.
One man's junk ....etc.".
To that person or to someone for whom the cancels are as exciting as postally used stamps are to me, perhaps more, or even a lot, if there is some significance to that particular circular date stamp.

As an example, one of the collectors who posts in the Machin Forum is very much into the different circular date stamps found on stamps of that long series and his interest is well expressed in this thread;
Machin Circular Date Stamps
Unless the CDS has some special significance the item is only meaningful to someone interested in those things.
Perhaps someone who is will post their opinion.

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12 Sep 2011
12:42:29pm
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

So, Arno has narrowed the cut square down, but, as he notes, one would need other information to properly ID this. He notes further that "entires" sell for 2 euros. Entires refers to a complete, intact envelope, not a cut square. In the US, cut squares of envelopes often sell for a fraction of entires; PC cut squares aren't collected as such, and are therefore virtually worthless. I don't anything about BC PS or cut squares. The cancel is from a town in Kildaire. Today it has about 20,000 people; a century ago it would have had far fewer. As Charlie suggests, a town cancel collector might be interested, but then you'd need to stumble upon one. Unless you're planning to make a study of BC PS, I'd say you've hit the end of the road, and I'd either put it up for auction, highlighting the Naas connection, or put it in part of a box lot where it might one day, after circuitous wanderings, find someone who values it.

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12 Sep 2011
03:55:44pm
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

Aha !!!
An Ireland fore-runner !!!
If the cut square is from a suburb or neighboring village of Kildare it might be of interest to someone who is deeply in love with British stamps and envelopes used in Occupied Ireland before the creation of the Irish Free State.
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So pack up that scan and post it in the Eriestamp Club webpage;
Erie Stamps
I remember that there are several Ireland Stamp collectors who speciqalise in the cancellations used in Ireland.
Of course it might still be common as potatoes in a field.
Check it out.
Charlie

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BadihBarakat
13 Sep 2011
03:34:04am
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

Dear all,

Many thanks for these details and information... :)

BadihBarakat

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14 Sep 2011
09:58:35am
re: GB QV cut square with County Kildaire cancel

If you discover anything interesting about Naas, in Kildare, for February, 1898 that connects to the cut square let us all know. Sometimes a particular date can have some significance in history, or in this case, Irish History.

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