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Rhinelander
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11 Sep 2011
10:38:48am
I am starting this as a general topic so that anyone who has an interesting seal on cover may show it in this thread. I do not know much about promotional seals, but I hope for David (amsd) to weigh in with his expertise. I collect postmarks, but once in a while I do receive items bearing seals--usually included as part of larger purchases. The one that I will be starting with, however, I recently purchased outright. I found it a quite interesting item. Here it is:

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The undated postcard was mailed from Painesville, Ohio, cancelled December 21, 1912, 12M, to Cleveland, Ohio. Its prominent feature is a promotional seal for women's right to vote, reading: "Women vote in Washington, Wyoming, California, Colorado, Idaho, Utah - Ohio the seventh. Give the ballot to the mothers." See detail:

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Some Barbarian permanently diminished the appeal of the card by putting its $15.00 price tag in the lower right corner. This shows that contrary to common perception, pencil marking at times cannot be removed. I am just including this here as a general word of caution.

Since I am postmark-guy, here the details on the cancellation: It is an International Postal Supply Co. Model L handcranked machine, which was supplied to medium-smaller size towns beginning in 1903/04, but mostly after 1908. The seven wavy line cancel with machine number at left and service letter below is also the most common canceller type used in the fast-electric International Model Flier beginning around 1903. Examples of the latter type have been shown from Worcester, Mass. and Bufallo, NY in this thread:

http://www.stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=3799#21800

The cancel from Franklin, NH shown in the above thread is a Model L. Difference between the Model L and Flier is the length of the cancellation. 58mm overall length for the Flier, only 45mm for Model L. The Bufallo and Franklin cancels, shown right on top of each other, illustrate the difference in length quite nicely. Run-off at the right end is common, so that the overall length of the wavy-lines can be difficult to determine. I thus like these cancels to be fully impressed. These are common postmarks.

Well, the topic is seals, not cancels, so I'll stop here.



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Bobstamp
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11 Sep 2011
12:11:41pm
re: Seals on cover

Now that's a great postcard! It's hard to imagine a time when women couldn't vote, but that was of course the case, and Suffragettes were tortured for their political views.

Good term, "Barbarian"! It's beyond me why normally intelligent postal history dealers do not see that putting a price directly on a cover, postcard or postal card amounts to vandalism of an historical artifact. It's an industry-wide practice, however, and certainly pre-dates the use of plastic envelopes. (There was a time when stamp dealers and collectors would routinely write catalogue numbers on the back of stamps, a practice that seems to have disappeared. And I've read that in the philatelic street markets of Paris, dealers would pin stamps to display boards. We don't see that today, thank God, not that God is concerned about pinholes in stamps.

Anyway, the practice of pricing covers, etc. on the cover, etc. is so common that I've given up worrying about it. And, in fact, by loosening my sense of indignation, I can see such pricing as part of the provenance of a given item. And you have to admit that seeing, say, a price of $2 on an item you paid $50 for is instructive.

Bob

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Walden
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11 Sep 2011
04:55:12pm
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Very interesting cover! If you ever decide to sell it, I am sure there are several members who would bid on it in the auction (myself included).

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11 Sep 2011
05:39:05pm
re: Seals on cover

Arno,

it's beyond my expertise, but I know some people who might be familiar with it and I'll ask them. Wish my seal expertise were one tenth your cancelling device knowlege.

off to my jacuzi for a bath with those sulphur jets

David

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Rhinelander
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11 Sep 2011
09:24:56pm
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Don't worry about it, David. I did not expect you to have a ready answer. Other than me, however, you at least know how to find additional information on seals. Christmas and Tuberculosis seals are quite ubiquitous and make up the great majority of seals I have encountered. This one is certainly uncommon. Google, by the way, helped reveal that Painesville was where the Ohio Woman Suffrage Association was formed in 1885. So the postcard presumably was mailed from a person involved with this organization.

Let me show another "great" seal; a seal that is not mimicking the shape of a stamp, but of a souvenir sheet:

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@ Walden

Not sure what I am going to do with the postcard in the long run. Currently I am enjoying the ownership, but it is really not what I collect. I picked it up because I thought it was a neat item, great discussion piece, and underpriced given its uniqueness. Also, I picked up a rare hand-stamped flag postmark for a mere $0.50 from the same dealer, so I wanted to spend a few more dollars to calm my conscience.

Arno

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tomiseksj
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08 Mar 2013
02:09:40pm
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Quote:

"I am starting this as a general topic so that anyone who has an interesting seal on cover may show it in this thread. "



I'm surprised that no SOR members have added to what I believe could be a visually-interesting thread. Here are two covers that both display philatelic seals:

Mailed from the New York Philatelic Exhibition on October 23, 1926, this cover bears an exhibition seal on its reverse.

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And this cover with an Artmaster Century of Postal Progress cachet was mailed to the Gimbels Stamp Department in June 1947. It includes two different CIPEX seals (the exhibition ran from May 17-25, 1947).

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tomiseksj
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09 Mar 2013
10:10:19am
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Does anyone know which organization was responsible for issuing this "New Hope for the Blind/Sight Saving" seal?

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