Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
I wonder if it wouldn´t be interesting to open a section in which only a limited amount of posts (don´t even know how many) per Seller should be posted. At the same time there could be a Section for "dealers" who offer over 100 stamps every day.
I don´t have any problem with dealers (I buy from them also), but I think that Stamporama should be directed preferentially to collectors.
Mitoneu
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Well, this is a different complaint than we've had before! For a long time, there were too few new listings to make the auction more than somewhat interesting, occasionally. Now we have "too many"?
The problem with limiting the postings by dealers is that we would have a to define "stamp dealer". Is a stamp dealer someone who makes his living by selling stamps? Is it someone who makes 51% of his living selling stamps? How about a dealer who is retiring, or has retired, and has a decided to sell the remainder of his stock as a hobby. Is a collector who spends more time selling stamps than actively "collecting" stamps a dealer or a collector? How much time out of one's day does one have to spend to be a collector? A dealer? When does a collector who decides to start selling his duplicates and unwanted stamps become a dealer? Am I being tedious? I hope you get the point, which of course is that we can't make rules regarding who sells what unless we have definitions, and we don't have those, and would never be able to come up with workable democratic ones.
The more important thing to note is that Master Webmaster Tim has made it possible for members to search for lots by dealer, by geographical region or country, and by keyword. Not very many people these days collect the entire world, so there really is no reason to search through all of each day's new listings. Unless you collect the whole world. In which case, there is no reason to complain!
And that is the World According to Bob.
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well, interesting problem. when we initially set up the auction, there was a restriction limiting sellers to 50 lots. It was seldom needed and therefore never really enforced. We have since removed it. It was there to ensure that we wouldn't be swamped with overpriced junk. We aren't. In general, we have a nice mix of choice, sometimes expensive material, with inexpensive material perfect for starting collections or filling spaces. Plus we occasionally have some very nice, fairly rare esoteric material as well. I've gotten some gems here.
I monitor the auction constantly and take great pride in what Tim has created and what you all, by virtue of your listings and your bids, nurture. Those who have lots of lots mostly price them in such a way as to make it useful. And, as Bob notes, there are many ways to filter in or out what you do or don't want to see.
If it were me, I'd like to see even more lots, not less.
Of course, we can't please all in every instance, but I think this is a useful auction site, made ever more useful by Tim's coding and your participation.
David, the auctioneer
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Since there is always the chance someone will put up for bid something I MUST have I say let them post...............I've bid on hundred dollar stamps and a few one cent stamps so let the bidding continue.............Perry
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With all due respect to Miguel, I say "here, here!" to David, Bob and Dan.
I, too am of the mindset 'the more the merrier'; I have no problem with the number of lots daily. I also don't feel - as David pointed out - that we are seeing "junk"; I think it's nice to see the low-end items along with the moderate to high-end.
I personally am in need of all three!
The only 'problem' I see is maybe sometimes lots are listed across too many categories; maybe a limit of 3 or 4 category listings for the same items would be enough.
That being said, it is nice to have items listed in a few different categories instead of just one.
This, however, is just a personal opinion - most likely not a majority one, either.
I tend to think that Miguel's opinion would be in the minority as well. But Miguel, don't let this sway you from voicing your opinion in the future, as we all must contribute to keep Stamporama the best online club of all.
Isn't Democracy (and freedom of speech!) a wonderful thing we have!?
(okay - off my soapbox now...)
Randy (the average joe)
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i'm glad the concensus is more is better and that what we offer is good. I'm glad that Randy also encouraged Migquel's, and any, dissenting views. And we are democratic in the sense that the volunteer committee (there are seven of us representing 3 continents (4 if you count place of birth], 4 countries (5 if you count place of birth], 2 genders, and a host of collecting interests and levels), when it considers an issue. In addition, the members of the VC generally take on tasks in the service of the club: Tim, of course, gives us this great web site; Liz and Jan-Simon monitor the discussions; Perry is our indefatigable secretary and handles membership. We operate by majority vote. And, like the club in general, there are often times when we disagree. And, like the club, we're cordial in our arguments and strive to understand the others' reasoning.
I know I wandered a bit, but I do want to encourage comments, even, or perhaps especially, when they're not universally held. I think America's greatest statesment were those who cried out in loneliness not those who held to popular beliefs.
David, slinking off his soapbox with a last thank you to those hard-working VC members and to the folks who make this such a wonderful place.
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I like the fact that a person can post as many listings as they want. I've often stated that I'm an impatient fellow when it comes to getting things in online auctions. I like not having to wait a long time to see what else certain individuals have to sell. There are some high volume regulars that I actually love to peruse through thier listings. And if we had that limit in place, a certain newer seller probably wouldn't have gotten my attention with his interesting items as his name would not have been standing out so much.
The system admins are also very vigilant in making sure that the listings are not fishy in any way.
I guess my say would be to leave the postings unrestricted!!!
Pat
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Thank you all!
I just wanted to put forward my thoughts (as I did in several cases). I think I should do this, especially as I am very proud to have joined Stamporama in the early days.
Obviously, the general opinion is that things are OK as they are. So, as several of you said, the best way for a Club of this type to work is to follow the opinion of the majority.
Let me just say that I didn´t mean to offend or critize anybody in special. Also, that I will continue to stay as member, giving my opinions, posting some stamps and envelopes in the Auction, and buying what I need.
Let´s keep on going like this. We are the BEST!!!
Love to all, Miguel
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Well said Miguel.
Best regards ... Tim.
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05:40:52pm
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I am starting to get a bit worried about the number of new posts every day. Sometimes it looks rather like a dealer´s selling list!
I wonder if it wouldn´t be interesting to open a section in which only a limited amount of posts (don´t even know how many) per Seller should be posted. At the same time there could be a Section for "dealers" who offer over 100 stamps every day.
I don´t have any problem with dealers (I buy from them also), but I think that Stamporama should be directed preferentially to collectors.
Mitoneu
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re: The number of lots in the auction
Well, this is a different complaint than we've had before! For a long time, there were too few new listings to make the auction more than somewhat interesting, occasionally. Now we have "too many"?
The problem with limiting the postings by dealers is that we would have a to define "stamp dealer". Is a stamp dealer someone who makes his living by selling stamps? Is it someone who makes 51% of his living selling stamps? How about a dealer who is retiring, or has retired, and has a decided to sell the remainder of his stock as a hobby. Is a collector who spends more time selling stamps than actively "collecting" stamps a dealer or a collector? How much time out of one's day does one have to spend to be a collector? A dealer? When does a collector who decides to start selling his duplicates and unwanted stamps become a dealer? Am I being tedious? I hope you get the point, which of course is that we can't make rules regarding who sells what unless we have definitions, and we don't have those, and would never be able to come up with workable democratic ones.
The more important thing to note is that Master Webmaster Tim has made it possible for members to search for lots by dealer, by geographical region or country, and by keyword. Not very many people these days collect the entire world, so there really is no reason to search through all of each day's new listings. Unless you collect the whole world. In which case, there is no reason to complain!
And that is the World According to Bob.
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re: The number of lots in the auction
well, interesting problem. when we initially set up the auction, there was a restriction limiting sellers to 50 lots. It was seldom needed and therefore never really enforced. We have since removed it. It was there to ensure that we wouldn't be swamped with overpriced junk. We aren't. In general, we have a nice mix of choice, sometimes expensive material, with inexpensive material perfect for starting collections or filling spaces. Plus we occasionally have some very nice, fairly rare esoteric material as well. I've gotten some gems here.
I monitor the auction constantly and take great pride in what Tim has created and what you all, by virtue of your listings and your bids, nurture. Those who have lots of lots mostly price them in such a way as to make it useful. And, as Bob notes, there are many ways to filter in or out what you do or don't want to see.
If it were me, I'd like to see even more lots, not less.
Of course, we can't please all in every instance, but I think this is a useful auction site, made ever more useful by Tim's coding and your participation.
David, the auctioneer
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re: The number of lots in the auction
Since there is always the chance someone will put up for bid something I MUST have I say let them post...............I've bid on hundred dollar stamps and a few one cent stamps so let the bidding continue.............Perry
Envelopeplease: you need to do something about your hairstyle, you look like a dog!
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re: The number of lots in the auction
With all due respect to Miguel, I say "here, here!" to David, Bob and Dan.
I, too am of the mindset 'the more the merrier'; I have no problem with the number of lots daily. I also don't feel - as David pointed out - that we are seeing "junk"; I think it's nice to see the low-end items along with the moderate to high-end.
I personally am in need of all three!
The only 'problem' I see is maybe sometimes lots are listed across too many categories; maybe a limit of 3 or 4 category listings for the same items would be enough.
That being said, it is nice to have items listed in a few different categories instead of just one.
This, however, is just a personal opinion - most likely not a majority one, either.
I tend to think that Miguel's opinion would be in the minority as well. But Miguel, don't let this sway you from voicing your opinion in the future, as we all must contribute to keep Stamporama the best online club of all.
Isn't Democracy (and freedom of speech!) a wonderful thing we have!?
(okay - off my soapbox now...)
Randy (the average joe)
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re: The number of lots in the auction
i'm glad the concensus is more is better and that what we offer is good. I'm glad that Randy also encouraged Migquel's, and any, dissenting views. And we are democratic in the sense that the volunteer committee (there are seven of us representing 3 continents (4 if you count place of birth], 4 countries (5 if you count place of birth], 2 genders, and a host of collecting interests and levels), when it considers an issue. In addition, the members of the VC generally take on tasks in the service of the club: Tim, of course, gives us this great web site; Liz and Jan-Simon monitor the discussions; Perry is our indefatigable secretary and handles membership. We operate by majority vote. And, like the club in general, there are often times when we disagree. And, like the club, we're cordial in our arguments and strive to understand the others' reasoning.
I know I wandered a bit, but I do want to encourage comments, even, or perhaps especially, when they're not universally held. I think America's greatest statesment were those who cried out in loneliness not those who held to popular beliefs.
David, slinking off his soapbox with a last thank you to those hard-working VC members and to the folks who make this such a wonderful place.
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re: The number of lots in the auction
I like the fact that a person can post as many listings as they want. I've often stated that I'm an impatient fellow when it comes to getting things in online auctions. I like not having to wait a long time to see what else certain individuals have to sell. There are some high volume regulars that I actually love to peruse through thier listings. And if we had that limit in place, a certain newer seller probably wouldn't have gotten my attention with his interesting items as his name would not have been standing out so much.
The system admins are also very vigilant in making sure that the listings are not fishy in any way.
I guess my say would be to leave the postings unrestricted!!!
Pat
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08:00:39pm
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re: The number of lots in the auction
Thank you all!
I just wanted to put forward my thoughts (as I did in several cases). I think I should do this, especially as I am very proud to have joined Stamporama in the early days.
Obviously, the general opinion is that things are OK as they are. So, as several of you said, the best way for a Club of this type to work is to follow the opinion of the majority.
Let me just say that I didn´t mean to offend or critize anybody in special. Also, that I will continue to stay as member, giving my opinions, posting some stamps and envelopes in the Auction, and buying what I need.
Let´s keep on going like this. We are the BEST!!!
Love to all, Miguel
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Well said Miguel.
Best regards ... Tim.
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