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Opinions are welcome. What do you think?
Bruce
(Message edited by stampme on January 17, 2011)
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Here is a closer image of the imperforate.
Bruce
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01:43:36pm
No catalogue handy right now... Could it be a cut square from postal stationary? That's my first guess when I find something imperf that should be perfed and usually that's the case.
Bob
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Scott do list this as imperf pair (#807c) but the above example doesn't look like it is part of an imperf sheet/pair/block - the margins suggest that this may have been cut off from postal stationary. More expert opinion is required.
I do not have the rates to South/Central America for this period, most probably overpaid.
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I'm pretty certain there was no Presidential series stationery for any of the various denominations including the 3 cent stamp Jefferson.
Bruce
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01:09:40pm
Just checking my catalog and have to agree with Bruce that there are no Postal Stationary item for that stamp. One thing I just noticed though while checking. There seems to be a very large gap in the dates for both Stamped Envelopes and Postal Cards. Did the post office stop issuing them for a while?
Here are a couple examples:
Postal Envelope - U529 - U531 issued 8/18/32. U532 was issued in 1950
Postal Card - UX37 Issued 2/1/26. UX38 issued 11/16/51
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Bob,
I think they were profligate changing it that quickly. The 1932 PSE issue corresponds to a rate change, from 2c to 3c, for first class mail. There isn't another change until 1958, so issuing another PSE in 1950 was probably unnecessary. Ditto the postal cards. BUT: look at the airmail section, where rates are in constant flux, both domestically and internationally, and see all the new issues in the same period. Excluding minor varieties, there are 16 different air mail PSEs (UC3-UC18) in the same period.
But this mirrors stamp-issuing policies in general. This isn't scientific, but if you start with the Washington Bicentennial issue of 1932 (Scott 704) and go through to 1950, the time of the next (unneeded) PSE issuance, you're at Scott 986, for a total of 282 stamps in 18 years, or just under 16 stamps per year, including both the long Prexie series (accounting for 45 of those 282 stamps [15%]) and all the commemoratives for chickens and the Red Cross and Girl Scouts, and the National Defense and Famous Americans and overrun countries. Anyway, it makes sense for those issuing policies; it looks strange today when we can easily issue that number, or more, in a single year.
David
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05:58:52pm
David,
That makes lots of sense.
Thanks,
Bob
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Dear Guys,
The 1938 Jefferson was counterfeited to defraud the post office. The printer was raided and his stock seized. Some fully gummed and imperforate stock got away. The counterfeits were lithographed while the originals were engraved. Don't know if this helps any though.
Dan C.
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09:05:55pm
I know that people have been known to cut out stamps from BEP Souvenir cards. I wonder if this is one of those? Here is an example of what they look like. Not sure if they issued one of those with this Jefferson Prexy.
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(Message edited by parkinlot on January 29, 2011)
(Message edited by parkinlot on January 29, 2011)
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09:11:46pm
Let's try it again...
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I'll take a look at the stamp again. Interesting additional info from you both.
Thanks!
Bruce
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01:03:29pm
I've had this cover for awhile. The imperforate Jefferson appears to be genuine. I haven't researched the air mail rate to Nicaragua but it looks about right.
Opinions are welcome. What do you think?
Bruce
(Message edited by stampme on January 17, 2011)
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01:07:26pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
Here is a closer image of the imperforate.
Bruce
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17 Jan 2011
01:43:36pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
No catalogue handy right now... Could it be a cut square from postal stationary? That's my first guess when I find something imperf that should be perfed and usually that's the case.
Bob
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re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
Scott do list this as imperf pair (#807c) but the above example doesn't look like it is part of an imperf sheet/pair/block - the margins suggest that this may have been cut off from postal stationary. More expert opinion is required.
I do not have the rates to South/Central America for this period, most probably overpaid.
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10:54:48pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
I'm pretty certain there was no Presidential series stationery for any of the various denominations including the 3 cent stamp Jefferson.
Bruce
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19 Jan 2011
01:09:40pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
Just checking my catalog and have to agree with Bruce that there are no Postal Stationary item for that stamp. One thing I just noticed though while checking. There seems to be a very large gap in the dates for both Stamped Envelopes and Postal Cards. Did the post office stop issuing them for a while?
Here are a couple examples:
Postal Envelope - U529 - U531 issued 8/18/32. U532 was issued in 1950
Postal Card - UX37 Issued 2/1/26. UX38 issued 11/16/51
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re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
Bob,
I think they were profligate changing it that quickly. The 1932 PSE issue corresponds to a rate change, from 2c to 3c, for first class mail. There isn't another change until 1958, so issuing another PSE in 1950 was probably unnecessary. Ditto the postal cards. BUT: look at the airmail section, where rates are in constant flux, both domestically and internationally, and see all the new issues in the same period. Excluding minor varieties, there are 16 different air mail PSEs (UC3-UC18) in the same period.
But this mirrors stamp-issuing policies in general. This isn't scientific, but if you start with the Washington Bicentennial issue of 1932 (Scott 704) and go through to 1950, the time of the next (unneeded) PSE issuance, you're at Scott 986, for a total of 282 stamps in 18 years, or just under 16 stamps per year, including both the long Prexie series (accounting for 45 of those 282 stamps [15%]) and all the commemoratives for chickens and the Red Cross and Girl Scouts, and the National Defense and Famous Americans and overrun countries. Anyway, it makes sense for those issuing policies; it looks strange today when we can easily issue that number, or more, in a single year.
David
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Immediate Past President - West Essex Philatelic Society www.wepsonline.org
19 Jan 2011
05:58:52pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
David,
That makes lots of sense.
Thanks,
Bob
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re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
Dear Guys,
The 1938 Jefferson was counterfeited to defraud the post office. The printer was raided and his stock seized. Some fully gummed and imperforate stock got away. The counterfeits were lithographed while the originals were engraved. Don't know if this helps any though.
Dan C.
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Immediate Past President - West Essex Philatelic Society www.wepsonline.org
29 Jan 2011
09:05:55pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
I know that people have been known to cut out stamps from BEP Souvenir cards. I wonder if this is one of those? Here is an example of what they look like. Not sure if they issued one of those with this Jefferson Prexy.
\image {bepstamp}
(Message edited by parkinlot on January 29, 2011)
(Message edited by parkinlot on January 29, 2011)
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29 Jan 2011
09:11:46pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
Let's try it again...
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07:06:12pm
re: Imperforate 3c Jefferson 1940 Cover
I'll take a look at the stamp again. Interesting additional info from you both.
Thanks!
Bruce
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