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United States/Covers & Postmarks : Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

 

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18 Feb 2011
03:12:09pm
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Kovertx

19 Feb 2011
08:29:21am
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Great cover! I like the postage due marks as well. Would you consider parting with it?

Mike Cherrington (kovertx)
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19 Feb 2011
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Hi Mike

Cover belongs to a friend of mine who has asked me to list it on 'Greedbay' for him. Hope to list it soon.

Tom

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19 Feb 2011
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re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

For my personal benefit and that of others: What is the significance of this cover? Why would anyone pay more than $1-2 for this apparent piece of junk? Not knowing anything else, I sure wouldn't ... Maybe someone can educate me?

(Message edited by rhinelander on February 19, 2011)

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19 Feb 2011
11:23:44am
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Although I have no particular interest in this steamboat cover I do collect railroad RPO covers. I am a very large model RR fan and train chaser so trains are as much, if not more, a passion for me than postage stamps. So yes, collecting a cover with something that interests you can be as much fun as finding a stamp you've been missing for years. Perry

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19 Feb 2011
12:15:38pm
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

When I posted this 'piece of junk' it was NOT because I thought it was of particular value -- I simply thought the combination of the Steamboat cancel and the Postage Due mark MIGHT be of some interest!
What's that old saying......'One man's junk is another man's treasure'

Tom

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19 Feb 2011
02:47:19pm
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Tom,

I certainly did not mean to offend you -- or anybody -- with my question. See, we all have seen many postings here of entirely worthless, damaged stamps someone thought might present a treasure just because the stamp was old (old being defined as "before the war"). Same is true for covers. Condition is very important and not every cover has collectors' interest (and thus monetary value). I see a torn in half postal stationary envelope, which is worthless. Add $1 for a potentially interesting auxilliary marking, and here you have my valuation.

However, I also understand that one man's junk may be another man's treasure. Especially in collecting covers. So, I was wondering, why would this cover potentially present someone else's treasure? I know nothing about steam boat covers. Are steam boat covers really that rare, maybe $200 value covers (?), which properly discounted for abysmal condition could yield $20 cash net (?). Or what about the 2c postage due? Is there something way cool about it that I am missing? I am not being ironic. I simply don't know ...

Arno

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19 Feb 2011
10:34:37pm
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

...a great time to educate us all, guys and gals!!

How many out there can jump in here and give us all a lesson on steamboat/postage due aux. markings?!?


I'm always anxious to advance my knowledge on these things.



Randy

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Kovertx

22 Feb 2011
08:39:16am
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Arno:
The steamboat cover in discussion might not have a lot of value in financial terms which true of most of what is in our collections. An obvious example is first day covers which are still widely collected and very popular but which sell very poorly.

The steamboat cover, to me, has lots of appeal, especially with the postage due markings. I imagine what a story it would tell if only it could talk. In a way, it can, since it went by steamboat (not commonly seen today) but was short paid for some reason which causes collectors like me to like it even more.

No, it has little commercial value, granted. But try and find another like it.

Choose your worlds more carefully.

MIke Cherrington

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22 Feb 2011
12:20:56pm
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois


'Choose your worlds more carefully.'

Now that's irony!

(Message edited by Airship on February 22, 2011)

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22 Feb 2011
12:26:29pm
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Professor O. Beatty of Danville, KY:



http://www.centre.edu/web/library/ency/b/beatty.html

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22 Feb 2011
07:58:35pm
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

I cannot make out the date on the cover, but the below link offers some interesting insight into Beatty's situation during the Civil War.


http://www.centre.edu/web/library/sc/special/perryville/index.htm

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23 Feb 2011
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it looks like June 1865, so a couple months after the war's end. Cairo was the terminus for the river and the starting point for all supplies for the occupation troops along the river. the river and its forts were captured early in the war by Gen Grant and Sherman, primarily. both were innovative and aggressive soldiers who understood tactics AND strategy and used one to accomplish the other. The two are among the country's most underrated generals.

I don't know Steamboat rates, but i'm guessing there's a 2c surcharge based on the due marking?

Count me among this cover's admirers.

David

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26 Feb 2011
01:28:52pm
re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

" ... 'Choose your worlds more carefully.'

Now that's irony!
...."

And possibly Freudian ! ;)

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18 Feb 2011
03:12:09pm

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Kovertx

19 Feb 2011
08:29:21am

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Great cover! I like the postage due marks as well. Would you consider parting with it?

Mike Cherrington (kovertx)
m_dtexas@suddenink.net

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19 Feb 2011
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re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Hi Mike

Cover belongs to a friend of mine who has asked me to list it on 'Greedbay' for him. Hope to list it soon.

Tom

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19 Feb 2011
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re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

For my personal benefit and that of others: What is the significance of this cover? Why would anyone pay more than $1-2 for this apparent piece of junk? Not knowing anything else, I sure wouldn't ... Maybe someone can educate me?

(Message edited by rhinelander on February 19, 2011)

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19 Feb 2011
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re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Although I have no particular interest in this steamboat cover I do collect railroad RPO covers. I am a very large model RR fan and train chaser so trains are as much, if not more, a passion for me than postage stamps. So yes, collecting a cover with something that interests you can be as much fun as finding a stamp you've been missing for years. Perry

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19 Feb 2011
12:15:38pm

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

When I posted this 'piece of junk' it was NOT because I thought it was of particular value -- I simply thought the combination of the Steamboat cancel and the Postage Due mark MIGHT be of some interest!
What's that old saying......'One man's junk is another man's treasure'

Tom

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19 Feb 2011
02:47:19pm

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Tom,

I certainly did not mean to offend you -- or anybody -- with my question. See, we all have seen many postings here of entirely worthless, damaged stamps someone thought might present a treasure just because the stamp was old (old being defined as "before the war"). Same is true for covers. Condition is very important and not every cover has collectors' interest (and thus monetary value). I see a torn in half postal stationary envelope, which is worthless. Add $1 for a potentially interesting auxilliary marking, and here you have my valuation.

However, I also understand that one man's junk may be another man's treasure. Especially in collecting covers. So, I was wondering, why would this cover potentially present someone else's treasure? I know nothing about steam boat covers. Are steam boat covers really that rare, maybe $200 value covers (?), which properly discounted for abysmal condition could yield $20 cash net (?). Or what about the 2c postage due? Is there something way cool about it that I am missing? I am not being ironic. I simply don't know ...

Arno

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19 Feb 2011
10:34:37pm

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

...a great time to educate us all, guys and gals!!

How many out there can jump in here and give us all a lesson on steamboat/postage due aux. markings?!?


I'm always anxious to advance my knowledge on these things.



Randy

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Kovertx

22 Feb 2011
08:39:16am

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Arno:
The steamboat cover in discussion might not have a lot of value in financial terms which true of most of what is in our collections. An obvious example is first day covers which are still widely collected and very popular but which sell very poorly.

The steamboat cover, to me, has lots of appeal, especially with the postage due markings. I imagine what a story it would tell if only it could talk. In a way, it can, since it went by steamboat (not commonly seen today) but was short paid for some reason which causes collectors like me to like it even more.

No, it has little commercial value, granted. But try and find another like it.

Choose your worlds more carefully.

MIke Cherrington

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Doe

22 Feb 2011
12:20:56pm

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois


'Choose your worlds more carefully.'

Now that's irony!

(Message edited by Airship on February 22, 2011)

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22 Feb 2011
12:26:29pm

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

Professor O. Beatty of Danville, KY:



http://www.centre.edu/web/library/ency/b/beatty.html

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22 Feb 2011
07:58:35pm

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

I cannot make out the date on the cover, but the below link offers some interesting insight into Beatty's situation during the Civil War.


http://www.centre.edu/web/library/sc/special/perryville/index.htm

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23 Feb 2011
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re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

it looks like June 1865, so a couple months after the war's end. Cairo was the terminus for the river and the starting point for all supplies for the occupation troops along the river. the river and its forts were captured early in the war by Gen Grant and Sherman, primarily. both were innovative and aggressive soldiers who understood tactics AND strategy and used one to accomplish the other. The two are among the country's most underrated generals.

I don't know Steamboat rates, but i'm guessing there's a 2c surcharge based on the due marking?

Count me among this cover's admirers.

David

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"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

juicyheads.com/link. ...

Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
26 Feb 2011
01:28:52pm

re: Steamboat Cover -- Cairo, Illinois

" ... 'Choose your worlds more carefully.'

Now that's irony!
...."

And possibly Freudian ! ;)

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
        

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