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19 Nov 2009
11:55:51am
I am looking for information, a listing, and/or reference for Wesson 'time on bottom' cancels. These were in use in the 1880s / banknote area. Here is one from Boston which I believe -- not knowing any better -- is a Wesson cancel.

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I got a few of these in a random lot of covers recently. Never paid any attention to them, but I am curious now and would like to learn a little more about them. How many (which?) towns used these etc.

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08 Dec 2009
10:39:10pm
re: Reference books on Wesson Time on Bottom cancels

Let me bring this one up again, and give it one more try to solicit any help. -- I recall that someone in the context of some other discussion mentioned a special book on the banknote era. This could be a place where some information about this type of cancellation might be found (?).

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08 Dec 2009
10:50:32pm
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Arno,

This site might be of interest, if you haven't found it already;

http://thesaltysailor.com/rhodeisland-philatelic/rhodeisland/cancel21.htm



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09 Dec 2009
10:58:07am
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Hi Arno,

I have the book Cancellations and Killers of the Banknote Era. It looks like this cancel is listed as EL-50. They only concentrate on the elipse and not the date/city part of the duplex so I don't have much info on that. Here is the info the book has...

EL-50
Letters A-H, J-P, W (yours is "N")
Walter Wesson Duplex (carrier mail)
Aug. 28, 1882 - Feb. 16, 1889

Here are some other Cities that used Wesson Cancel:
Putnam, CT
Westerly, RI

Bob

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(Message edited by parkinlot on December 09, 2009)

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10 Dec 2009
12:40:29am
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Hello Randy and Bob,

Thanks a lot -- I knew I could get some more out of you guys.

All very interesting. Maybe I should get the book you are using, Bob -- could you please give me the specific reference, exact title, author ISBN etc.?

Also, Randy's link shows a postmark on cover described as a Wesson "Type 2" cancel. It really does not look like a duplex cancel at all; the killer is just an ink blob. However, there is the same "time on bottom" (and date in one line)organization of information in the cancel that makes the Boston cancel shown above so unusual.

The fact that the link Randy provided speaks of types also indicates to me that some categorizing reference / research work on these cancellations must exist (but it is not quoted). Providence -- the cover shown in the link -- is also not one of the cities mentioned by Bob, so I suppose Bob was just giving examples.

Bob, let me ask you, does the book have some description, short history etc., about these Wesson cancels? I think it is most peculiar that the book goes by the killer rather than the CDS portion of the cancellation. What makes these postmarks unique in my mind really is the time on bottom, a feature most cancels of that period (or any period for that matter) did not have. I do not believe that these cancels are rare or anything -- although trying to assemble a collection might pose a substantial challenge (having a list of towns and years of use would sure help in that endeavor).

Thanks again, folks, I learned a lot already -- keep going ...

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10 Dec 2009
09:43:29am
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Arno - Sent you a private email.

The other Cities for Wesson Cancels were found by just skimming through the section of the book that I found the Boston Wesson Cancel. There may be more.

Bob

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15 Dec 2009
06:13:43pm
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Thank you Bob (parkinlot) for the information from the book. Really a most peculiar approach to identify cancellations by the shape / design of the killer only. Well probbaly it is primarily for the collector of single (off cover) stamps. I am still researching these cancels. Will show a few more specimens and and share what I found out as soon as I feel confident about the accuracy of the information. As it appears, it is not a rare style of cancellation. It also does not appear to be a widely collected style of postmark (unlike Doanes or flags etc.). Otherwise information would be more readily available.

Arno

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16 Dec 2009
06:02:36am
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Arno,

The rest of the book is mostly Fancy Pictorial Cancels. The reason I did not originally respond to your email is because I didn't think your cancel would be in there. I was surprised it was there.

Bob

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29 Jun 2010
09:47:35pm
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Hi folks,

I did find a great reference book for these cancels after all: "Walter D. Wesson's 'Time on Bottom' Duplex Hand Cancelers" by William Bozarth. It is one of the La Posta Monographs and I am actually quite surprised that I could not find it by simply googling.

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I have accumulated about a dozen or so of these cancels. They were used a lot in the big cities of Chicago, Philadelphia and Boston and then a whole bunch of other towns, with the most varieties and earliest specimens coming from Worcester, Mass. Pretty neat cancels, I think, and so much more fun to collect with a list at hand.

In other news, we have made our hopefully last move (at least for a while). I have updated the new -- and permanent -- address in the member database. The last year has been pretty crazy for us/me with large portions of my collection stored in different locations. I am so happy things are finally coming together that I'd like to share a few pictures of my future hobby refuge:

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Now it all looks quite unorganized as of now and there are still two dozen boxes to unpack and a few book shelves need to be bought, but it sure is a joy putting it all together. Will post a picture once it is all done.

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30 Jun 2010
10:15:30pm
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Arno,

What I wouldn't give for a room all to myself for my collection/collecting! And a good size room, as well! I'm sure you'll have fun getting things all "just so"....!

And congrats on finding the T.O.B. duplex reference, as well!
I'll now know who to call on when I run across them!


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30 Jun 2010
10:17:14pm
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....actually, I think I may have a few of these....guess I'll have to go have a look....hmmmm!



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Stampme
16 Jul 2010
08:33:22pm
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Hi Arno,
Let me know if you ever stumble across another Wesson book. I'm always looking to improve my philatelic library.
Great room!
Bruce

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16 Jul 2010
09:10:08pm
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Hi Bruce,

Your post reminds me that I need to post a progress picture. I got my copy from Phil Banser. I believe Leonard Hartman at the time also had a copy in stock ---

Just googled -- He still has it. He really has the most confusing website, but always lots of good books. Here is the link:

http://pbbooks.com/markings.htm

Search for 'Wesson' or 'Bozarth' on this page.

Arno

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Stampme
23 Aug 2010
12:01:40pm
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Hi Arno,
Just an update: I did pick up the Wesson TOB booklet and very much enjoyed it. It has inspired me to see how many of the listed ones I have around here.
Bruce

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08 Mar 2012
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Apparently, in 2010 the U.S. Cancellation Club (USCC) published an update to the book by Bozarth. The new monograph was put together by Ralph Edson and Gilbert Levere, and is
entitled "Wesson Time on Bottom Markings Revisited."

I googled around, but seem to be unable to find a source selling the book. Any ideas?

Arno

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26 Jun 2012
12:31:39pm
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USCC Publication - Wesson TOB Update - Edson / Levere

This recent publication can be purchased direct from the USCC by sending a check for $25.00 made out to the US Cancellation Club and sent to:

USCC
20 University Ave
Lewisburg, PA 17837

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26 Jun 2012
12:42:38pm
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If any of the readership have examples of X-Type (Carved Cork Killers) Worcester, Massachusetts Wesson Cancels, I would greatly appreciate it if you would post details about them, including an image, if possible.

I provided input on Worcester Wessons to Edson and Levere for their recent update. At just about the same time, Dave Simmons and I published a two-part article in La Posta that went into detail on X-Type Worcester Wessons. Since that time I have been expanding my X-Type database as new Dates and Times have been identified.

Please share your Worcester X-Type info with me so that the database may be expanded even more.

Thanks in advance !

Bob T

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26 Jun 2012
01:03:33pm
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for the info. When I checked a few months ago there was no info available on the USCC website how to purchase the book and an email I sent to to the contact person given on the website was not answered.

I will try ordering it from the address you posted. -- Thanks again!

Also, I will check my quite small holdings of Wesson cancels for Worcester cork killers. I am more a collector of machine cancels. I know I have some Wesson cancels with cork killers, but I am not sure if they are from Worcester or some other town. I have one cover with the Worcester Wesson received marking. This may not be the most desirable, valuable, or interesting Wesson cancel--how would I know, I don't even have the book --, but it is the one postmark I like the best of them all. I am at work, but will check later tonight ...

Arno

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BobTrack
26 Jun 2012
02:57:05pm
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Hi Arno:

The address I posted is for Roger Curran, the Editor of the USCC News. He should be able to take care of your order for the Wesson update.


Thanks for offering to check your holdings of Wessons for me. I do appreciate it.

Although Worcester X-Type Wessons are described as having carved cork killers, a couple look as if the were carved from a much more harder / denser material. Attaced is an image of one of them.

Bob T


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utterly fabulous strike, Bob. I read Youngblood's article in APS magazine, and there's no strike that comes anywhere near the wonder of yours. thanks for sharing.

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26 Jun 2012
06:07:22pm
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Bob,

I checked and my memory failed me. I actually have only one Wesson TOB cancel with a carved cork killer and it is from Providence, R.I. The TOBs are really just a little collection on the side for me. I accumulated not more than around 20-30 over time.

I will put my order for the book in the mail tomorrrow.

Best,

Arno

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27 Jun 2012
12:44:32am
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Arno:

Thanks for checking !

Bob

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