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Europe/Other : Greece, coils?

 

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Greenmouse (Greenmouse)

20 Aug 2008
08:35:12pm
I have some Greek kiloware which contains what looks like coil stamps ie only perfed on 2 sides. My knowledge of Greek stamps is pretty dismal so forgive me if the questions are bit basic.
Did Greece produce coils and does anyone know when they started producing them?
How do they compare in value with their regular counterparts? I have both in the mix.
Gibbons gives no info on this as I only have the basic Stamps of the World catalogues.
Thanks all and have a good day.
Tim.
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Liz Jones (Patches)

20 Aug 2008
10:13:50pm
re: Greece, coils?

Hi Tim;

I believe what you might have are booklet stamps.
For example Scott #'s 2004 to 2024 (Dances) issued on January 2, 2002 were produced in both sheet and booklet stamps.

There is a notation in the Scott catalogues under these listings that says, "Each denomination also sold in booklets containing 20 panes of stamps, perf 13-1/4 vertically or horizontally. Unused booklet stamps sell for the same prices as the sheet stamps listed. Most used booklet stamps sell for significantly less than the used sheet stamps listed."

I hope this helps.

Liz

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Thomas Harley (Harley)

21 Aug 2008
03:32:56am
re: Greece, coils?

Liz is right. There are no Greece coils,and yes they are booklet stamps. I have that set--
-set of 21 booklet panes of 5/with tabs. Dont know catalog values,but I paid $195.00 for the set.
Not that I collect them,nor did I want them,but a new issue servicer I "use to" use,sent them as a set of coil strips.
So even a supposedly knowledgable stamp dealer guessed it wrong too.
Anyone want to buy a booklet set?

Sweden has both booklet and coil stamps with two perfed and two straight edges. You need to understand the listings in the catalog to figure them out. It doesent always say coil or booklet for each individual listing.

Other countries ,especialy older,there are perfs on all four sides. These coils were made from printed sheet stamps,,ID is the watermark,usualy sideways.Still others,both older and current,make coil strips from sheet stamps,with perfs on all four,, but have a back number every 5th stamp.
I just recently won an auction lot(SOR auction) of Germany coil strips,with back numbers.Perfs on all four sides.
Then there are the modern self adheasives-WW. Some are the same perf(die cut),same stamp image,same size,but come in both booklet,or booklet pane,and in coil strips.The only way to tell them apart is by mint, long strip or complete pane.( or block of). A single,mint or used, could be either one. Australia and Jersey are good examples of this.So are New Zealand and RSA.

You really need to read all the info in your catalog,no matter which one you use.
Scotts,is the only one inconsistant in its listings. Never the same. As for coils, sometimes it headlines a coil listing,sometimes it's a notation following a listing,and sometimes a formal notation,somewhere betwen the regular listings,saying all after this are -such and such,but never saying what it was before that notation. You have to go to the index and read the basic info ,which tells the story .

aint dis fun.

TOM

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Greenmouse (Greenmouse)

21 Aug 2008
01:04:12pm
re: Greece, coils?

Liz and Tom, thanks for the information its all very useful.
All the best Tim.

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Malcolm197

04 Dec 2008
03:45:00pm
re: Greece, coils?

I am an all-world used collector and I almost never find Greek sheet definitive stamps in Kiloware ( where both sheet and booklet stamps are issued ). I suspect that catalogue values are very underpriced where the sheet stamps are concerned and very overpriced for booklets.
Stamps of the World is useless for anyone who collects beyond "face different". Very few "general" collectors, except the most junior ( who cannot afford a catalogue anyway ) collect face-different. I suspect that only library sales keep that catalogue going !

malcolm

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Greenmouse (Greenmouse)

20 Aug 2008
08:35:12pm

I have some Greek kiloware which contains what looks like coil stamps ie only perfed on 2 sides. My knowledge of Greek stamps is pretty dismal so forgive me if the questions are bit basic.
Did Greece produce coils and does anyone know when they started producing them?
How do they compare in value with their regular counterparts? I have both in the mix.
Gibbons gives no info on this as I only have the basic Stamps of the World catalogues.
Thanks all and have a good day.
Tim.

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Liz Jones (Patches)

20 Aug 2008
10:13:50pm

re: Greece, coils?

Hi Tim;

I believe what you might have are booklet stamps.
For example Scott #'s 2004 to 2024 (Dances) issued on January 2, 2002 were produced in both sheet and booklet stamps.

There is a notation in the Scott catalogues under these listings that says, "Each denomination also sold in booklets containing 20 panes of stamps, perf 13-1/4 vertically or horizontally. Unused booklet stamps sell for the same prices as the sheet stamps listed. Most used booklet stamps sell for significantly less than the used sheet stamps listed."

I hope this helps.

Liz

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Thomas Harley (Harley)

21 Aug 2008
03:32:56am

re: Greece, coils?

Liz is right. There are no Greece coils,and yes they are booklet stamps. I have that set--
-set of 21 booklet panes of 5/with tabs. Dont know catalog values,but I paid $195.00 for the set.
Not that I collect them,nor did I want them,but a new issue servicer I "use to" use,sent them as a set of coil strips.
So even a supposedly knowledgable stamp dealer guessed it wrong too.
Anyone want to buy a booklet set?

Sweden has both booklet and coil stamps with two perfed and two straight edges. You need to understand the listings in the catalog to figure them out. It doesent always say coil or booklet for each individual listing.

Other countries ,especialy older,there are perfs on all four sides. These coils were made from printed sheet stamps,,ID is the watermark,usualy sideways.Still others,both older and current,make coil strips from sheet stamps,with perfs on all four,, but have a back number every 5th stamp.
I just recently won an auction lot(SOR auction) of Germany coil strips,with back numbers.Perfs on all four sides.
Then there are the modern self adheasives-WW. Some are the same perf(die cut),same stamp image,same size,but come in both booklet,or booklet pane,and in coil strips.The only way to tell them apart is by mint, long strip or complete pane.( or block of). A single,mint or used, could be either one. Australia and Jersey are good examples of this.So are New Zealand and RSA.

You really need to read all the info in your catalog,no matter which one you use.
Scotts,is the only one inconsistant in its listings. Never the same. As for coils, sometimes it headlines a coil listing,sometimes it's a notation following a listing,and sometimes a formal notation,somewhere betwen the regular listings,saying all after this are -such and such,but never saying what it was before that notation. You have to go to the index and read the basic info ,which tells the story .

aint dis fun.

TOM

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Greenmouse (Greenmouse)

21 Aug 2008
01:04:12pm

re: Greece, coils?

Liz and Tom, thanks for the information its all very useful.
All the best Tim.

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Malcolm197

04 Dec 2008
03:45:00pm

re: Greece, coils?

I am an all-world used collector and I almost never find Greek sheet definitive stamps in Kiloware ( where both sheet and booklet stamps are issued ). I suspect that catalogue values are very underpriced where the sheet stamps are concerned and very overpriced for booklets.
Stamps of the World is useless for anyone who collects beyond "face different". Very few "general" collectors, except the most junior ( who cannot afford a catalogue anyway ) collect face-different. I suspect that only library sales keep that catalogue going !

malcolm

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