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Here is a Turned Folded Letter Sheet from 1821. It is a little rough looking but has a place in my Turned Cover Collection. This is the earliest example of a Turned Cover in my collection. Most examples I have come across and acquired are from the Civil War era. I do have one use later in the1880's.
It first was sent from Elizabethtown, Harden County, Kentucky April 23,1821 to "Sheriff's Office" Logan County, Kentucky. It concerns an upcoming deposition to be held in June and mentions the individuals that should be at the deposition.
It was returned from Russellville, KY (Logan County) to William Whiting in Elizabeth, KY, acknowledging receipt of the letter concerning the deposition.
I removed the pencil markings and put it in my humidifier to flatten out for display in my collection.
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This is after six hours in my humidity box.
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This card I bought for the markings on the front. It is a Railroad Agent's marking, but I can't make out the rail line name, only AGT the bottom of the CDS. It was originally marked North (N) then corrected to South (S). I didn't see the reverse of the card until I received it. This is what I call micro writing. The sender got his penny's worth mailing this.
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Here are two homemade covers using Newspaper text for the Cachet.
Franklin D. Roosevelt's funeral train traveled from Warm Springs, Georgia, to Washington, D.C., and then to Hyde Park, New York, with numerous stops along the way, drawing large crowds of mourners.
Route Overview
Starting Point: The journey began in Warm Springs, Georgia, where FDR passed away on April 12, 1945.
Major Stops: The train made significant stops in Atlanta and Washington, D.C., where it was met with large crowds paying their respects.
Final Destination: After the state funeral in Washington, the train continued to Hyde Park, New York, FDR's final resting place.
Second stop
Third stop
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Those are some really nice covers! The card with the tiny writing is amazing. Wonder what the 1200 written across the words means - couldn’t be 1200 words, could it? Thanks for posting all these - always enjoy seeing what you find
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1851 Broadside Ad Cover franked w/ US Scott# 8A
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Amazing item Ari, thanks for showing!!
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Here's a recent addition. It is just a clean Lady's cover on the front but there is a neat label on the back.
As Innocent as a Lamb
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Cool postal history!
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This arrived today. A New London, CT cds and a doodle by I assume the postmaster or clerk that cancelled the cover.
"This stamp is used up, don't you see"
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This folded letter was sent by Ransome Rathbone on April 1st, 1843, the postmaster of the town he founded in 1842 and named Rathboneville after himself. The letter addresses his concerns in locating a person who owes him money.
Here is a history of Rathboneville, NY
Rathboneville, NY
Earliest settlers recorded finding clearings in the dense forests along the Canisteo River where Indians had previously cleared patches of forest and planted corn. First American settlements 1793 and 1795 by James Hadley and William Benham.
1804 first Inn established by Lemuel Benham
1806 first Saw Mill by Isaac Tracey
1816 first Grist Mill (flouring mill) by Isaac Tracey
2 blacksmith and wagon shops operating in town
Abner Chase a Pioneer Preacher traveled through Rathbone in 1812
1825 opening of Erie Canal attracted many settlers to all parts of Western New York, including Joseph Northrup whose family would settle and expand along Northrup St. over Northrup Hill
Roads built by F.B. and C.P. Hubbard 1829
First Methodist Episcopal Church meeting held in 1831
Lumber assembled in rafts and sent down the Canisteo River to Port Deposit, Colombia, and Baltimore, Maryland.
1842 General Ransom Rathbone settled in the area
1842 General Rathbone opened the first store
Town of Rathbone formed from Addison, Cameron and Woodhull- March 28, 1856
May 6, 1856 first elections held for town officers, town supervisor and clerk
Magnolia House built in 1850 had 2 stories and 25 rooms
1855 Station on the Erie Rail Road
1852 first class formed at the Cole School House
Benjamin Northrup deeded land that would be used to build what would become the Rathbone 10 Northrup Hill School in the 1850’s. By 1865 the school has an enrollment of 55 students (29 of whom were Northrups)
Rathbone furnishes 174 men to the Civil War effort and raises $36,955 for soldiers’ bounty
1st cheese factory erected by John Adamson
First steam powered saw mill built in 1865 by Seth Cook
William Crawford establishes Crawford’s Store March 1868
Cameron mills grist and custom mills build by Daniel Hubbard
1865 Empire Saw Mill in Cameron has 5000 board feet per day capacity, Crawford mills has a capacity of 10,000 board feet per day.
1880 Cameron Mills Pump Station built to force crude oil through two 6 inch pipes from Pennsylvania to Elmira and on to New York City
Population of Rathbone 1,224 according to 1890 census
Whitmore General Hardware and Implements Store established
From the Journals of Ella Northrup Johnson (resident of Northrup Road)
January 1900 cutting ice from creek for storage in icehouse
March-April 1901 telephone poles and wires run
October 1902 Free Rural Mail Delivery began
January 1903 telephone put in
1918 Northrup School closed 3 weeks as result of diphtheria epidemic
Tracy Creek State Forest established
1930? Magnolia Inn Dances popular among Rathbone citizens and surrounding communities
4 stores open in town (smallshop in Magnolia Inn, The Fred Martin Store, The Cole Store, and a little General Store)
Passenger Train Depot still open, could take train to Corning, Hornell or beyond
Trains would drop off supplies for farmers and pick up farmers’ produce at the Rathbone Station
Grange meetings well attended, many social functions such as Pie Socials and Box Social; Grange was active and well attended into the 1950’s
Brady Mill (flour mill) still in use in the 1940’s
Rathbone Old Home Days well attended. Parade, family reunions, ball games, bingo all part of the festivities.
Farmers’ picnics held at Bath Fairgrounds and also near Fawn Lake, well attended
Cole Store closes in the 1950’s
Mail picked up and delivered by hook mechanism as train passes through town
Magnolia Dances end 1960’s
Grange Socials end 1970’s
1960’s Rathbone Old Home Days end
Rathbone Post Office Closes
Whitmore Store Closes
1972 flood causes widespread damage throughout the community
Helmer Creek State Land and Wildlife Management Area created
Single lane Rathbone Bridge replaced by existing bridge
Grange closed and gave up charter
1985 first Amish family moved into Rathbone. Amish School built on Derby Road
1996-1998 District 10 Northrup School restoration undertaken by Margaret Evans and Elizabeth Gaynor and when completed, the historic landmark was donated to the Middletown Historical Society
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Incredible item and amazing history, thanks for posting!!
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Some new covers in my collection.
These two covers have hand drawn "pointing fingers".
These covers have some interesting drawings; I really like the GI looking at his girl.
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I was poking around in my saved pictures the other day. I few of these I have posted before, others I have not. If I remember right I received them from my local dealer a few months ago as a lot. There's some nice stuff there, at least I think so. At least the picture is right side up!
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Nice, do you have any back ground info?
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It's good to see you back 1899.
Harvey I'd really like to see the Blackjack by itself. It is an interesting cover from the civil war era though it may not be a patriotic cover I still find it very interesting. The other covers are very nice too. Especially the covers that advertise the wares they are selling. That is the type of material that deserves some background research done to. That is my opinion.
Very neat stuff. Thank you for sharing.
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The blackjack looks interesting along with some of the other ones!
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02:30:35pm
I'll post the Black Jack alone soon!!
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I wish I could give more background information but the entire lot was sold to me in one shot. The one from Scott's was posted individually in another post as was the one from Duncan, Dakota (before North and South Dakota) and comments were made there. I wish I had more information on the others. Most are just what you see with nothing of note on the back. The one with the airmail postmark is a favourite as is the nursery one. The stamp on the Black Jack cover is badly damaged with part missing, too bad, but I will post a picture. There is nothing on the reverse. Some of the others have destination post marks on the back and a few are scribbled on as you quite often see on older covers. Paper was scarce and covers sometimes ended up as scrap paper or grocery lists. I'm not really a cover collector but I think I paid about $20 for the lot so I couldn't pass that up.
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Got this really nice stampless cover in the mail today from Arizona Stamps. I hope Chris doesn't mind if I use his image. By the way, there is nothing on the back! The population of this town in Maine in 2020 was 2570.
EDIT: Does anyone know what the initials next to the PAID 3 would stand for - maybe the initials of people who handled the letter?
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I would like to see the cover that is the bottom right corner with 3 one cent stamps?
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No problem 1899, I'll post it when I post the Black Jack cover. I'll do fronts and backs!
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I'm posting the two covers that people wanted to see alone with two covers I've never posted before, a US 11A and a US 25. If anyone still needs to see one individually please let me know! Excuse the fingers, we were doing this on a deck with some wind!! Thankfully they are from the person where items don't show up sideways!!
EDIT: The cover with blue paper is actually a folded letter, I have only one more of these!
The writing on the front of the Black Jack cover says "Account of railway meeting at Munnsville 1864" so a bi t of railway history! Munsville in 2020 had a population of 454, 313 in 1870 and was named after Asa Munn, an early settler. Asa Munn opened a mercantile business in the community circa 1817.
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Joe, love the blackjack!
Paid 3 means that the 3c postage rate was paid.
been looking for a fair priced on of those for a while!
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The PAID 3 is great cover! I'd been looking for one for a while! Picked it up here as a very reasonable BIN!
The stamp on the Black Jack cover is in lousy shape with the top part missing. I guess you can't have everything and I do like the cover. The railway connection as well as the fact it's connected to a small town are both pluses!
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Here are some Fancy Cancels I purchased in the last Kewriga Sale.
This is a hand carved pointing finger used as a cancel.
I guess the message is clear from the postmaster, "Don't USM".
I already own a copy of this cancel; I can always use another one.
New Orleans Post Office made a large number of Geometric cancels in the 1870's this is just one on a Mourning Cover.
This is a Leominster "Stove Pipe" Cancel. I have several in black, but this is the first I've seen in blue. The second cover shows the cancel in black.
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Here are four new Covers I picked up.
The first is a crude blue Paid 3 marking from Trenton, NJ.
There are three labels sealing the back flap.
This cover from Cannondale, PA has a fancy Paid intertwined with the numeral 3.
Blue Troy, NY CDS with integral 3cts.
There is a label on the back sealing the flap.
Three strikes of a cross in circle with a Wesson Time on Bottom CDS from Providence, RI to Berlin, Germany.
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Here is a new thread to post your recent cover and card acquisitions.
Here is a Turned Folded Letter Sheet from 1821. It is a little rough looking but has a place in my Turned Cover Collection. This is the earliest example of a Turned Cover in my collection. Most examples I have come across and acquired are from the Civil War era. I do have one use later in the1880's.
It first was sent from Elizabethtown, Harden County, Kentucky April 23,1821 to "Sheriff's Office" Logan County, Kentucky. It concerns an upcoming deposition to be held in June and mentions the individuals that should be at the deposition.
It was returned from Russellville, KY (Logan County) to William Whiting in Elizabeth, KY, acknowledging receipt of the letter concerning the deposition.
I removed the pencil markings and put it in my humidifier to flatten out for display in my collection.
Edit
This is after six hours in my humidity box.
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This card I bought for the markings on the front. It is a Railroad Agent's marking, but I can't make out the rail line name, only AGT the bottom of the CDS. It was originally marked North (N) then corrected to South (S). I didn't see the reverse of the card until I received it. This is what I call micro writing. The sender got his penny's worth mailing this.
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Here are two homemade covers using Newspaper text for the Cachet.
Franklin D. Roosevelt's funeral train traveled from Warm Springs, Georgia, to Washington, D.C., and then to Hyde Park, New York, with numerous stops along the way, drawing large crowds of mourners.
Route Overview
Starting Point: The journey began in Warm Springs, Georgia, where FDR passed away on April 12, 1945.
Major Stops: The train made significant stops in Atlanta and Washington, D.C., where it was met with large crowds paying their respects.
Final Destination: After the state funeral in Washington, the train continued to Hyde Park, New York, FDR's final resting place.
Second stop
Third stop
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Those are some really nice covers! The card with the tiny writing is amazing. Wonder what the 1200 written across the words means - couldn’t be 1200 words, could it? Thanks for posting all these - always enjoy seeing what you find
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1851 Broadside Ad Cover franked w/ US Scott# 8A
-Ari
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Amazing item Ari, thanks for showing!!
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Here's a recent addition. It is just a clean Lady's cover on the front but there is a neat label on the back.
As Innocent as a Lamb
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Cool postal history!
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This arrived today. A New London, CT cds and a doodle by I assume the postmaster or clerk that cancelled the cover.
"This stamp is used up, don't you see"
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This folded letter was sent by Ransome Rathbone on April 1st, 1843, the postmaster of the town he founded in 1842 and named Rathboneville after himself. The letter addresses his concerns in locating a person who owes him money.
Here is a history of Rathboneville, NY
Rathboneville, NY
Earliest settlers recorded finding clearings in the dense forests along the Canisteo River where Indians had previously cleared patches of forest and planted corn. First American settlements 1793 and 1795 by James Hadley and William Benham.
1804 first Inn established by Lemuel Benham
1806 first Saw Mill by Isaac Tracey
1816 first Grist Mill (flouring mill) by Isaac Tracey
2 blacksmith and wagon shops operating in town
Abner Chase a Pioneer Preacher traveled through Rathbone in 1812
1825 opening of Erie Canal attracted many settlers to all parts of Western New York, including Joseph Northrup whose family would settle and expand along Northrup St. over Northrup Hill
Roads built by F.B. and C.P. Hubbard 1829
First Methodist Episcopal Church meeting held in 1831
Lumber assembled in rafts and sent down the Canisteo River to Port Deposit, Colombia, and Baltimore, Maryland.
1842 General Ransom Rathbone settled in the area
1842 General Rathbone opened the first store
Town of Rathbone formed from Addison, Cameron and Woodhull- March 28, 1856
May 6, 1856 first elections held for town officers, town supervisor and clerk
Magnolia House built in 1850 had 2 stories and 25 rooms
1855 Station on the Erie Rail Road
1852 first class formed at the Cole School House
Benjamin Northrup deeded land that would be used to build what would become the Rathbone 10 Northrup Hill School in the 1850’s. By 1865 the school has an enrollment of 55 students (29 of whom were Northrups)
Rathbone furnishes 174 men to the Civil War effort and raises $36,955 for soldiers’ bounty
1st cheese factory erected by John Adamson
First steam powered saw mill built in 1865 by Seth Cook
William Crawford establishes Crawford’s Store March 1868
Cameron mills grist and custom mills build by Daniel Hubbard
1865 Empire Saw Mill in Cameron has 5000 board feet per day capacity, Crawford mills has a capacity of 10,000 board feet per day.
1880 Cameron Mills Pump Station built to force crude oil through two 6 inch pipes from Pennsylvania to Elmira and on to New York City
Population of Rathbone 1,224 according to 1890 census
Whitmore General Hardware and Implements Store established
From the Journals of Ella Northrup Johnson (resident of Northrup Road)
January 1900 cutting ice from creek for storage in icehouse
March-April 1901 telephone poles and wires run
October 1902 Free Rural Mail Delivery began
January 1903 telephone put in
1918 Northrup School closed 3 weeks as result of diphtheria epidemic
Tracy Creek State Forest established
1930? Magnolia Inn Dances popular among Rathbone citizens and surrounding communities
4 stores open in town (smallshop in Magnolia Inn, The Fred Martin Store, The Cole Store, and a little General Store)
Passenger Train Depot still open, could take train to Corning, Hornell or beyond
Trains would drop off supplies for farmers and pick up farmers’ produce at the Rathbone Station
Grange meetings well attended, many social functions such as Pie Socials and Box Social; Grange was active and well attended into the 1950’s
Brady Mill (flour mill) still in use in the 1940’s
Rathbone Old Home Days well attended. Parade, family reunions, ball games, bingo all part of the festivities.
Farmers’ picnics held at Bath Fairgrounds and also near Fawn Lake, well attended
Cole Store closes in the 1950’s
Mail picked up and delivered by hook mechanism as train passes through town
Magnolia Dances end 1960’s
Grange Socials end 1970’s
1960’s Rathbone Old Home Days end
Rathbone Post Office Closes
Whitmore Store Closes
1972 flood causes widespread damage throughout the community
Helmer Creek State Land and Wildlife Management Area created
Single lane Rathbone Bridge replaced by existing bridge
Grange closed and gave up charter
1985 first Amish family moved into Rathbone. Amish School built on Derby Road
1996-1998 District 10 Northrup School restoration undertaken by Margaret Evans and Elizabeth Gaynor and when completed, the historic landmark was donated to the Middletown Historical Society
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Incredible item and amazing history, thanks for posting!!
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Some new covers in my collection.
These two covers have hand drawn "pointing fingers".
These covers have some interesting drawings; I really like the GI looking at his girl.
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I was poking around in my saved pictures the other day. I few of these I have posted before, others I have not. If I remember right I received them from my local dealer a few months ago as a lot. There's some nice stuff there, at least I think so. At least the picture is right side up!
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Nice, do you have any back ground info?
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It's good to see you back 1899.
Harvey I'd really like to see the Blackjack by itself. It is an interesting cover from the civil war era though it may not be a patriotic cover I still find it very interesting. The other covers are very nice too. Especially the covers that advertise the wares they are selling. That is the type of material that deserves some background research done to. That is my opinion.
Very neat stuff. Thank you for sharing.
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The blackjack looks interesting along with some of the other ones!
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I'll post the Black Jack alone soon!!
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I wish I could give more background information but the entire lot was sold to me in one shot. The one from Scott's was posted individually in another post as was the one from Duncan, Dakota (before North and South Dakota) and comments were made there. I wish I had more information on the others. Most are just what you see with nothing of note on the back. The one with the airmail postmark is a favourite as is the nursery one. The stamp on the Black Jack cover is badly damaged with part missing, too bad, but I will post a picture. There is nothing on the reverse. Some of the others have destination post marks on the back and a few are scribbled on as you quite often see on older covers. Paper was scarce and covers sometimes ended up as scrap paper or grocery lists. I'm not really a cover collector but I think I paid about $20 for the lot so I couldn't pass that up.
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Got this really nice stampless cover in the mail today from Arizona Stamps. I hope Chris doesn't mind if I use his image. By the way, there is nothing on the back! The population of this town in Maine in 2020 was 2570.
EDIT: Does anyone know what the initials next to the PAID 3 would stand for - maybe the initials of people who handled the letter?
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I would like to see the cover that is the bottom right corner with 3 one cent stamps?
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No problem 1899, I'll post it when I post the Black Jack cover. I'll do fronts and backs!
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I'm posting the two covers that people wanted to see alone with two covers I've never posted before, a US 11A and a US 25. If anyone still needs to see one individually please let me know! Excuse the fingers, we were doing this on a deck with some wind!! Thankfully they are from the person where items don't show up sideways!!
EDIT: The cover with blue paper is actually a folded letter, I have only one more of these!
The writing on the front of the Black Jack cover says "Account of railway meeting at Munnsville 1864" so a bi t of railway history! Munsville in 2020 had a population of 454, 313 in 1870 and was named after Asa Munn, an early settler. Asa Munn opened a mercantile business in the community circa 1817.
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Joe, love the blackjack!
Paid 3 means that the 3c postage rate was paid.
been looking for a fair priced on of those for a while!
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The PAID 3 is great cover! I'd been looking for one for a while! Picked it up here as a very reasonable BIN!
The stamp on the Black Jack cover is in lousy shape with the top part missing. I guess you can't have everything and I do like the cover. The railway connection as well as the fact it's connected to a small town are both pluses!
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Here are some Fancy Cancels I purchased in the last Kewriga Sale.
This is a hand carved pointing finger used as a cancel.
I guess the message is clear from the postmaster, "Don't USM".
I already own a copy of this cancel; I can always use another one.
New Orleans Post Office made a large number of Geometric cancels in the 1870's this is just one on a Mourning Cover.
This is a Leominster "Stove Pipe" Cancel. I have several in black, but this is the first I've seen in blue. The second cover shows the cancel in black.
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Here are four new Covers I picked up.
The first is a crude blue Paid 3 marking from Trenton, NJ.
There are three labels sealing the back flap.
This cover from Cannondale, PA has a fancy Paid intertwined with the numeral 3.
Blue Troy, NY CDS with integral 3cts.
There is a label on the back sealing the flap.
Three strikes of a cross in circle with a Wesson Time on Bottom CDS from Providence, RI to Berlin, Germany.
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