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of the world`s 1st Christmas stamp , the 1898 Canada Map Stamp ?
I have a few stamps and I am searching for references to help me identify the colours.
There are more than 4 distinct colours due to the printing process and dyes used.
Any help would be appreciated.
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You made me go to my Palo album to see what I have. I have 2 shades. The 2023 Unitrade lists 2 nos. (85 and 86) and 2 primary variations, 85i and 86a. Since my copies are light blue and darker blue, I must have 86 and 86a. No wonder they really didn't match the albums description! I've got some more searching to do for 85 and 85i! If you have these and would like to sell, let me know.
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I've edited CDJ's post to make the link active: Imperial Penny Postage
Here's a screenshot of what the link looks like when properly formatted:
It's pretty simple (and you don't have to use boldface, which I use just to try to make the instructions clear):
1. Type word image between square brackets followed by...
2. Paste or type the complete URL, followed by...
3. A comma, followed by...
4. Whatever you want to name the web page, video or image you want to draw attention to, followed by...
5. /image between square brackets.
Important: Use spaces only in the plain-language title of the item to which you are linking, if necessary.
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The Map Stamp is certainly one of my favourites. There is a variety of the Map Stamp called the "muddy water variety," a changeling caused by oxidation and not considered a printing variety. Otherwise, the two basic varieties are black, lavender & carmine and black, blue & carmine. These are my Map Stamps:
I've always been amused by its alternative name, the "Has-been Stamp," based on the phrase at the bottom of the stamp, "WE HOLD A VASTER EMPIRE THAN HAS BEEN". The stamp was issued in 1898, and as you know, within a very few years, the British Empire and all of the other empires were fighting bravely to keep their colonies, protectorates, and territories in the face of growing calls for independence. Their efforts were in vain (and unfortunately led to many of today's problems).
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Bob, which catalogue do you consider definitive for the map stamps? (Pun intended)
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@cjd — I suppose that the Unitrade catalogue does the best job of any general catalogue, but the listing only includes major varieties and provides virtually none of the stamp's interesting history. Several books have been written about the Map Stamp; Google "Canada Map Stamp book" and you'll find several listings. Another good resource is the the APS's American Philatelic Research Library. For a nominal charge, the library will send photocopies of pertinent publications. I'm not sure, but I suspect that Americans can borrow books from the library as well. Good luck. There aren't many better stamps to study (in my opinion!).
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I was just wondering what you had settled on for your own cataloguing. Robson Lowe's Encyclopedia lists three main colors and mentions shades; Holmes' Specialized goes with four (of the perfed, and three imperf) issues.
Some of the online resources say that forgeries are not known. Robson Lowe says that there is a lithographed forgery with a Montreal postmark dated 24 December, 1898. Something to watch for, perhaps, for those of you who accumulate, or at least look at, many of these.
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06:30:35am
Just wondering if there are any collectors of the different shade varieties
of the world`s 1st Christmas stamp , the 1898 Canada Map Stamp ?
I have a few stamps and I am searching for references to help me identify the colours.
There are more than 4 distinct colours due to the printing process and dyes used.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Cheryl
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re: Canada`s 1898 Map Stamp
You made me go to my Palo album to see what I have. I have 2 shades. The 2023 Unitrade lists 2 nos. (85 and 86) and 2 primary variations, 85i and 86a. Since my copies are light blue and darker blue, I must have 86 and 86a. No wonder they really didn't match the albums description! I've got some more searching to do for 85 and 85i! If you have these and would like to sell, let me know.
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re: Canada`s 1898 Map Stamp
I've edited CDJ's post to make the link active: Imperial Penny Postage
Here's a screenshot of what the link looks like when properly formatted:
It's pretty simple (and you don't have to use boldface, which I use just to try to make the instructions clear):
1. Type word image between square brackets followed by...
2. Paste or type the complete URL, followed by...
3. A comma, followed by...
4. Whatever you want to name the web page, video or image you want to draw attention to, followed by...
5. /image between square brackets.
Important: Use spaces only in the plain-language title of the item to which you are linking, if necessary.
Bob
P.S. Of course, one could just cut and paste the URL into a browser, but it's nice for members not to have to do that.
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re: Canada`s 1898 Map Stamp
The Map Stamp is certainly one of my favourites. There is a variety of the Map Stamp called the "muddy water variety," a changeling caused by oxidation and not considered a printing variety. Otherwise, the two basic varieties are black, lavender & carmine and black, blue & carmine. These are my Map Stamps:
I've always been amused by its alternative name, the "Has-been Stamp," based on the phrase at the bottom of the stamp, "WE HOLD A VASTER EMPIRE THAN HAS BEEN". The stamp was issued in 1898, and as you know, within a very few years, the British Empire and all of the other empires were fighting bravely to keep their colonies, protectorates, and territories in the face of growing calls for independence. Their efforts were in vain (and unfortunately led to many of today's problems).
Bob
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re: Canada`s 1898 Map Stamp
Bob, which catalogue do you consider definitive for the map stamps? (Pun intended)
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re: Canada`s 1898 Map Stamp
@cjd — I suppose that the Unitrade catalogue does the best job of any general catalogue, but the listing only includes major varieties and provides virtually none of the stamp's interesting history. Several books have been written about the Map Stamp; Google "Canada Map Stamp book" and you'll find several listings. Another good resource is the the APS's American Philatelic Research Library. For a nominal charge, the library will send photocopies of pertinent publications. I'm not sure, but I suspect that Americans can borrow books from the library as well. Good luck. There aren't many better stamps to study (in my opinion!).
Bob
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re: Canada`s 1898 Map Stamp
I was just wondering what you had settled on for your own cataloguing. Robson Lowe's Encyclopedia lists three main colors and mentions shades; Holmes' Specialized goes with four (of the perfed, and three imperf) issues.
Some of the online resources say that forgeries are not known. Robson Lowe says that there is a lithographed forgery with a Montreal postmark dated 24 December, 1898. Something to watch for, perhaps, for those of you who accumulate, or at least look at, many of these.
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