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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

 

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bigcreekdad
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02 Mar 2025
04:36:33pm
Look at the engraved angles on this fellow. It has a pen cancel, so would it be an additional cancel of some kind? I have another (50 cents) that has a pen cancel, but no engraved markings.

BTW, ignore what lookalike some spilled on it. I'm going to wash it and see if it goes away. If not, might just pitch it.

What say you sage group of philatelists?




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02 Mar 2025
04:44:32pm
re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

Image from Stampforum. cut cancel to prevent re-use.


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Check out Eric Jackson's Ontario Law stamps. They show a variety of different types of cancels:


https://www.ericjackson.com/rsubprod1_2x ...

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03 Mar 2025
08:36:21am
re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

In the 19th century, various methods were employed to cancel revenue stamps and securely affix them to legal documents, preventing their reuse or fraudulent transfer. One such method involved the use of punch cancellation devices that created distinctive patterns, such as chevrons, by cutting through both the stamp and the underlying document.

While specific images of 19th-century punch cancellation devices are scarce, the resulting patterns they produced can be observed on surviving documents and stamps. These devices were designed to leave unique cuts or perforations, making it evident if a stamp had been tampered with or removed.

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03 Mar 2025
08:40:36am
re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

"...cutting through both the stamp and the underlying document."



Ah ha! Thanks Roy. I was wondering about that. When would these stamps have been purchased? Would an attorney or clerk take the documents to a courthouse, purchase the stamps there and then have them cancelled on the document when they were recorded?



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03 Mar 2025
08:47:39am
re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

In the case of the Law Stamps initially shown, the lawyers would have pre-purchased a supply, just like they would have purchased stamps for their postal mail. Law stamps were affixed to legal filings.

In the case of the Bill Stamps shown, those were used on financial transactions and you will find them on checks and loan documents like this one, so the bank would have kept a supply on hand. From what government office they would have been purchased from, I can't say.

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03 Mar 2025
09:29:42am
re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

Roy and ERnie.....Thanks! Very interesting.

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03 Mar 2025
09:11:59pm
re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

Many US revenue stamps have these cut marks - of various styles - as well. I own quite a few.

The Scott US Specialized catalog notes that revenue stamps with cut cancels are valued much lower than those without.

I tend to ignore this - I have no issue with a stamp having a cut cancel as long as the stamp is in one piece.

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bigcreekdad

02 Mar 2025
04:36:33pm

Look at the engraved angles on this fellow. It has a pen cancel, so would it be an additional cancel of some kind? I have another (50 cents) that has a pen cancel, but no engraved markings.

BTW, ignore what lookalike some spilled on it. I'm going to wash it and see if it goes away. If not, might just pitch it.

What say you sage group of philatelists?




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02 Mar 2025
04:44:32pm

re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

Image from Stampforum. cut cancel to prevent re-use.


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Check out Eric Jackson's Ontario Law stamps. They show a variety of different types of cancels:


https://www.ericjackson.com/rsubprod1_2x ...

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03 Mar 2025
08:36:21am

re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

In the 19th century, various methods were employed to cancel revenue stamps and securely affix them to legal documents, preventing their reuse or fraudulent transfer. One such method involved the use of punch cancellation devices that created distinctive patterns, such as chevrons, by cutting through both the stamp and the underlying document.

While specific images of 19th-century punch cancellation devices are scarce, the resulting patterns they produced can be observed on surviving documents and stamps. These devices were designed to leave unique cuts or perforations, making it evident if a stamp had been tampered with or removed.

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Roy

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03 Mar 2025
08:40:36am

re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

"...cutting through both the stamp and the underlying document."



Ah ha! Thanks Roy. I was wondering about that. When would these stamps have been purchased? Would an attorney or clerk take the documents to a courthouse, purchase the stamps there and then have them cancelled on the document when they were recorded?



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03 Mar 2025
08:47:39am

re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

In the case of the Law Stamps initially shown, the lawyers would have pre-purchased a supply, just like they would have purchased stamps for their postal mail. Law stamps were affixed to legal filings.

In the case of the Bill Stamps shown, those were used on financial transactions and you will find them on checks and loan documents like this one, so the bank would have kept a supply on hand. From what government office they would have been purchased from, I can't say.

Roy

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03 Mar 2025
09:29:42am

re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

Roy and ERnie.....Thanks! Very interesting.

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03 Mar 2025
09:11:59pm

re: Engraved markings on Ontario Law Stamp

Many US revenue stamps have these cut marks - of various styles - as well. I own quite a few.

The Scott US Specialized catalog notes that revenue stamps with cut cancels are valued much lower than those without.

I tend to ignore this - I have no issue with a stamp having a cut cancel as long as the stamp is in one piece.

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