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12:44:11pm
Could you please explain why it is a fake? Most of the ones you see on E-Bay are advertised as fake but I'd really like to know if this is one of those or one that is "supposed" to be real. For example the one by CityStamps in Montreal and some others have certificates. Please take no offence at this but you just can't show us a picture and say it's fake. You really can't get enough information from that picture you show! There are many real 387a's out there since 400 were supposedly produced. So, to conclude, give a link to the one you are showing please.
EDIT: Most of the 387a examples on E-Bay are BIN's. The only one I could find ending today was marked as being a replica. Of course I might have just missed the one you are showing. A link would be great. Of course even it was real with a certificate it would be out of my price range.
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I think that the reason for calling it fake is that there is part of a frame line around the centre panel, more obvious on the right hand side. This does not exist on the original stamp, so would imply that the centre has been cut, rotated and pasted back into the image.
But yes a reason why would have been helpful.
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02:29:35pm
I can see the frame line now that you point it out. Actually looking back at the stamps on E-Bay most of the fakes have a part of a frame line where the "real ones" don't. But a reason has to be provided in this type of post otherwise the post is pretty well a waste of time, at least in my opinion.
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This is the Ebay listing!
So sorry it's a waste of time!
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03:21:12pm
Actually, it was not a waste of time. I learned to watch for the frame line so I guess an apology is in order!
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I don't collect Canada stamps and have no way how this fake was made. I offer my apology to everyone who found my posting lacking.
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Did no one here see that the entire center of the stamp (Blue) is INVERTED? 
EDIT: Except for "sheepshanks"
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06:07:59pm
That's why it's so valuable - it's known as the Seaway invert which is similar to, but cheaper than, the Inverted Jenny in US stamps. This seaway stamp was a shared release with the US postal service but with no invert known.
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I saw it right away, and posted it on soR.
A posted want to know why it is a fake!!!
Another posted want to know why!
But you are correct "Did no one here see that the entire center of the stamp (Blue) is INVERTED? "
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@1899, the problem, if you can call it that, is that the stamp exists with a genuinely inverted centre, and as Harvey says, some 400 were known to have been issued. So it can be found with the centre inverted.
The ebay seller does state that it is a fake, so is really only selling as a curiosity, although whether he has used tape or paper and glue to keep the centre in place I'm unaware.
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Please see my posting of 2 Feb 2025 at 03:16:30pm hours.
The scan is from the bay seller which states it is a fake!
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Ok I surrender, I know I'm writing in English from Canada to a USA site but isn't that what I had written?
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08:15:33pm
Just to make it clear, it is not a fake because the center is inverted. Stamps with inverted center were produced, 400 in fact. It is a fake because someone faked an inverted center.
EDIT: This whole post is very odd indeed!!!
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A few years ago I regularly visited Weeda Stamps, at that time a brick-and-mortar shop in Vancouver, now a significant on-line auction house located in Victoria. The owner, Beverly Fox, showed me a "perfect fake" copy of an inverted St Lawrence Seaway stamp. Perfect, that is, until it you used the "watermark method" on it. A bit of watermark fluid and the fakeness (is that a word?) just popped out. The faker had done a perfect job of cutting the vignette away and re-attaching it, inverted, to the stamp's "frame". Without the watermark fluid, it looked genuine. With watermark fluid, there was no question it was a fake.
Fakes do seem to be everywhere, and none of us should be complacent about that, which means of course that about all we can do is learn as much as we can about the stamps that we collect, use authentication services if affordable, and not assume — definitely, NOT ASSUME! — that the inexpensive items we collect are genuine. A few years ago my stamp club, the British Columbia Philatelic Society, invited a fake specialist to tell us about his work as an expert witness for the Crown in cases involving modern fakes of current Canadian postage stamps, and about the art and science of fake stamps generally. Among the stories he told was one about eBay, where he found a number of excellently faked 19th Century Canadian covers. He contacted the faker, who said he was doing it as a hobby that made him a bit of pocket money. He said he didn't realize that it was a problem, and that he would stop immediately.
Bob
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09:12:20pm
I enjoy my hobby, it keeps me sane - more or less!! I know I probably have a few fakes in my collection, we probably all do, but I try to be as careful as I can and if I end up with a fake or two, or more, well, I've done the best I can. I was in the antique business for many years and fakes are everywhere in all areas. All we can do is be as careful as possible!!
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Pretty messed up fake see scan, it currently on Ebay ends today!
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02 Feb 2025
12:44:11pm
re: Fake Canada
Could you please explain why it is a fake? Most of the ones you see on E-Bay are advertised as fake but I'd really like to know if this is one of those or one that is "supposed" to be real. For example the one by CityStamps in Montreal and some others have certificates. Please take no offence at this but you just can't show us a picture and say it's fake. You really can't get enough information from that picture you show! There are many real 387a's out there since 400 were supposedly produced. So, to conclude, give a link to the one you are showing please.
EDIT: Most of the 387a examples on E-Bay are BIN's. The only one I could find ending today was marked as being a replica. Of course I might have just missed the one you are showing. A link would be great. Of course even it was real with a certificate it would be out of my price range.
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re: Fake Canada
I think that the reason for calling it fake is that there is part of a frame line around the centre panel, more obvious on the right hand side. This does not exist on the original stamp, so would imply that the centre has been cut, rotated and pasted back into the image.
But yes a reason why would have been helpful.
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02 Feb 2025
02:29:35pm
re: Fake Canada
I can see the frame line now that you point it out. Actually looking back at the stamps on E-Bay most of the fakes have a part of a frame line where the "real ones" don't. But a reason has to be provided in this type of post otherwise the post is pretty well a waste of time, at least in my opinion.
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This is the Ebay listing!
So sorry it's a waste of time!
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02 Feb 2025
03:21:12pm
re: Fake Canada
Actually, it was not a waste of time. I learned to watch for the frame line so I guess an apology is in order!
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re: Fake Canada
I don't collect Canada stamps and have no way how this fake was made. I offer my apology to everyone who found my posting lacking.
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Did no one here see that the entire center of the stamp (Blue) is INVERTED? EDIT: Except for "sheepshanks"
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03 Feb 2025
06:07:59pm
re: Fake Canada
That's why it's so valuable - it's known as the Seaway invert which is similar to, but cheaper than, the Inverted Jenny in US stamps. This seaway stamp was a shared release with the US postal service but with no invert known.
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@StampsAreFriends
I saw it right away, and posted it on soR.
A posted want to know why it is a fake!!!
Another posted want to know why!
But you are correct "Did no one here see that the entire center of the stamp (Blue) is INVERTED? "
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re: Fake Canada
@1899, the problem, if you can call it that, is that the stamp exists with a genuinely inverted centre, and as Harvey says, some 400 were known to have been issued. So it can be found with the centre inverted.
The ebay seller does state that it is a fake, so is really only selling as a curiosity, although whether he has used tape or paper and glue to keep the centre in place I'm unaware.
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@sheepshanks
Please see my posting of 2 Feb 2025 at 03:16:30pm hours.
The scan is from the bay seller which states it is a fake!
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Ok I surrender, I know I'm writing in English from Canada to a USA site but isn't that what I had written?
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03 Feb 2025
08:15:33pm
re: Fake Canada
Just to make it clear, it is not a fake because the center is inverted. Stamps with inverted center were produced, 400 in fact. It is a fake because someone faked an inverted center.
EDIT: This whole post is very odd indeed!!!
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re: Fake Canada
A few years ago I regularly visited Weeda Stamps, at that time a brick-and-mortar shop in Vancouver, now a significant on-line auction house located in Victoria. The owner, Beverly Fox, showed me a "perfect fake" copy of an inverted St Lawrence Seaway stamp. Perfect, that is, until it you used the "watermark method" on it. A bit of watermark fluid and the fakeness (is that a word?) just popped out. The faker had done a perfect job of cutting the vignette away and re-attaching it, inverted, to the stamp's "frame". Without the watermark fluid, it looked genuine. With watermark fluid, there was no question it was a fake.
Fakes do seem to be everywhere, and none of us should be complacent about that, which means of course that about all we can do is learn as much as we can about the stamps that we collect, use authentication services if affordable, and not assume — definitely, NOT ASSUME! — that the inexpensive items we collect are genuine. A few years ago my stamp club, the British Columbia Philatelic Society, invited a fake specialist to tell us about his work as an expert witness for the Crown in cases involving modern fakes of current Canadian postage stamps, and about the art and science of fake stamps generally. Among the stories he told was one about eBay, where he found a number of excellently faked 19th Century Canadian covers. He contacted the faker, who said he was doing it as a hobby that made him a bit of pocket money. He said he didn't realize that it was a problem, and that he would stop immediately.
Bob
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04 Feb 2025
09:12:20pm
re: Fake Canada
I enjoy my hobby, it keeps me sane - more or less!! I know I probably have a few fakes in my collection, we probably all do, but I try to be as careful as I can and if I end up with a fake or two, or more, well, I've done the best I can. I was in the antique business for many years and fakes are everywhere in all areas. All we can do is be as careful as possible!!
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