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Latin America/All : Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

 

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BWSchulz

30 Jan 2025
01:14:49pm
My old Minkus Latin America Catalog lists these. Pictured below is a 4 centavo brown with diagonal date overprint. In the Minkus catalog this is R48. Is the cancelation on this example a postal cancellation? Revenue cancellations from this era are double-ring with no date in the center. The center on revenue cancellations is blank. The cancellation pictured below is smeared and unreadable. But it has material in the center and is similar to postal cancellations from the19th and early 20th Centuries. Can you help?

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31 Jan 2025
12:30:33pm

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Looks Like an attorneys cancel?
But It could have bee misused for postage.
Anyone else have any thoughts?

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BWSchulz

31 Jan 2025
01:29:52pm
re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

What makes you think it's an attorney's stamp?

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31 Jan 2025
02:01:49pm
re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

Apparently they were used postally. From Olamo's Revenue Stamps of Ecuador:

"The number of faked cancellation “faked” in this listing means cto postmarks, and it is surprisingly high. Almost all of the high values have faked cancellations up to 1908. In all cases they are postmarks. At the end of the 19th century all remaining stock was sold to a dealer and a large part of the stamps were cto. The same thing happened again in 1908 and this time dealers got also the cancellers. It means that (to the authors opinion) up to 1909 postally used revenues have to be on documents, covers, etc. to be considered authentically used. Loose revenue stamps with postmarks are questionable."

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31 Jan 2025
05:37:02pm

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The centering and font of the letters reminds me of a cancel I have on an official 1898 attorney's home sale paper.
Just a though.
Maybe a fake as mentioned?
Not really my area for loads of knowledge though.
-Ari Happy

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BWSchulz

31 Jan 2025
06:05:27pm
re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

srol, thanks for that.

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BWSchulz

30 Jan 2025
01:14:49pm

My old Minkus Latin America Catalog lists these. Pictured below is a 4 centavo brown with diagonal date overprint. In the Minkus catalog this is R48. Is the cancelation on this example a postal cancellation? Revenue cancellations from this era are double-ring with no date in the center. The center on revenue cancellations is blank. The cancellation pictured below is smeared and unreadable. But it has material in the center and is similar to postal cancellations from the19th and early 20th Centuries. Can you help?

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31 Jan 2025
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re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

Looks Like an attorneys cancel?
But It could have bee misused for postage.
Anyone else have any thoughts?

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BWSchulz

31 Jan 2025
01:29:52pm

re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

What makes you think it's an attorney's stamp?

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srolfsmeier

31 Jan 2025
02:01:49pm

re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

Apparently they were used postally. From Olamo's Revenue Stamps of Ecuador:

"The number of faked cancellation “faked” in this listing means cto postmarks, and it is surprisingly high. Almost all of the high values have faked cancellations up to 1908. In all cases they are postmarks. At the end of the 19th century all remaining stock was sold to a dealer and a large part of the stamps were cto. The same thing happened again in 1908 and this time dealers got also the cancellers. It means that (to the authors opinion) up to 1909 postally used revenues have to be on documents, covers, etc. to be considered authentically used. Loose revenue stamps with postmarks are questionable."

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"'That's just it,' said the Hemulen in despair. 'It's finished. There isn't a stamp, or an error that I haven't collected. Not one. What shall I do now? ''Nature study!' declares the Hemulen. 'I shall botanize'. "
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PhilatelistMag20

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31 Jan 2025
05:37:02pm

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re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

The centering and font of the letters reminds me of a cancel I have on an official 1898 attorney's home sale paper.
Just a though.
Maybe a fake as mentioned?
Not really my area for loads of knowledge though.
-Ari Happy

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BWSchulz

31 Jan 2025
06:05:27pm

re: Ecuador Revenues Used for Postage

srol, thanks for that.

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