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16 Jan 2025
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I was sifting through my piles of postage due stamps, doing watermark testing, perf gauging, etc; and I found an unwatermarked, Perf 12 1c stamp.
It is very Vermilliony, if that"s a word! Like, in your face bright for a postage due stamp anyway...
So, I'm getting all excited, since it is in Used NH with Good Gum! This would probably make it worth a little more than the catalogging $750!
As well as fill a big hole in my collection!
So, I'm asking all of you truly color savvy collectors if this is a vermillion or a very rosy deep claret.
I've put the stamp next to my copy of J31 for contrast.
Thank you so much, and have a great day!
-Ari de Boer Happy
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16 Jan 2025
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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Sorry I do not know, I expect my monitor is faulty, both stamps appear the same color to me.

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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Since all monitors differ and as 1899 observed they both look the same (or close ) to him as they do to me. Vermilion has an orange red hue and shows as brighter than deep claret but given the difference in scanners and monitors color cannot be verified without first hand observation. Looking over J29's on hipstamp mis identification appears rampant. But you will note that the vermilion (red orange) ones stand out in contrast to the mis identified claret ones.

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17 Jan 2025
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Thank you for the info!
It may be your monitor, as mentioned but I'm using a high def. windows 11 monitor on a 1200 dpi scan and the "J29" looks very vermillion-ish.
Like a cherry almost...
I looked on theswedishtiger.com and noticed that if you compare them the J29 looks way deeper than the J31, and mine does.
I think I'll bring it to my next stamp club meeting and ask them there, unless anyone can figure it out here.
I am hopeful, and it does look like the Vermillion.
Thanks!
-Ari Happy

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17 Jan 2025
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that is NOT vermillion

Not even close, not in a vermillion years

seriously, not vermillion

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17 Jan 2025
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Okay,
Then which color is it?
There seems to be a vermillion different varieties for these stamps!
Wow!
A very surprised Ari Happy

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17 Jan 2025
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Ari,

I can brag on vermillion, but I'm not great with colors. Some I feel confident about IDg; vermillion is one of them. Which RED that is, because, as you note, there many varieties, i can't tell.

I felt good just having eliminated one option.

David

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17 Jan 2025
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I remember once, many years ago, my wife and I were working on some of the early postage dues. I remember exactly what she said, "How many damn ways can you say RED?". By looking at the results we came up with, and I'm not saying with 100% surety, I don't think either of your stamps are vermilion. To me vermilion is a warmer colour than your two stamps and neither seems to contain enough orange. There are many stamps of various shades of red that are identified incorrectly! And you really can't tell on a computer screen since we are all seeing slightly different things! Good luck, colour shades with early US stamps is very difficult!!

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Thanks for the advice Harvey!
Yeah, colors are hard!
Also, I guess eliminating one is better than none!
-Ari

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I was sifting through my piles of postage due stamps, doing watermark testing, perf gauging, etc; and I found an unwatermarked, Perf 12 1c stamp.
It is very Vermilliony, if that"s a word! Like, in your face bright for a postage due stamp anyway...
So, I'm getting all excited, since it is in Used NH with Good Gum! This would probably make it worth a little more than the catalogging $750!
As well as fill a big hole in my collection!
So, I'm asking all of you truly color savvy collectors if this is a vermillion or a very rosy deep claret.
I've put the stamp next to my copy of J31 for contrast.
Thank you so much, and have a great day!
-Ari de Boer Happy
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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Sorry I do not know, I expect my monitor is faulty, both stamps appear the same color to me.

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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Since all monitors differ and as 1899 observed they both look the same (or close ) to him as they do to me. Vermilion has an orange red hue and shows as brighter than deep claret but given the difference in scanners and monitors color cannot be verified without first hand observation. Looking over J29's on hipstamp mis identification appears rampant. But you will note that the vermilion (red orange) ones stand out in contrast to the mis identified claret ones.

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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Thank you for the info!
It may be your monitor, as mentioned but I'm using a high def. windows 11 monitor on a 1200 dpi scan and the "J29" looks very vermillion-ish.
Like a cherry almost...
I looked on theswedishtiger.com and noticed that if you compare them the J29 looks way deeper than the J31, and mine does.
I think I'll bring it to my next stamp club meeting and ask them there, unless anyone can figure it out here.
I am hopeful, and it does look like the Vermillion.
Thanks!
-Ari Happy

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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

that is NOT vermillion

Not even close, not in a vermillion years

seriously, not vermillion

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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Okay,
Then which color is it?
There seems to be a vermillion different varieties for these stamps!
Wow!
A very surprised Ari Happy

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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Ari,

I can brag on vermillion, but I'm not great with colors. Some I feel confident about IDg; vermillion is one of them. Which RED that is, because, as you note, there many varieties, i can't tell.

I felt good just having eliminated one option.

David

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17 Jan 2025
03:33:34pm

re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

I remember once, many years ago, my wife and I were working on some of the early postage dues. I remember exactly what she said, "How many damn ways can you say RED?". By looking at the results we came up with, and I'm not saying with 100% surety, I don't think either of your stamps are vermilion. To me vermilion is a warmer colour than your two stamps and neither seems to contain enough orange. There are many stamps of various shades of red that are identified incorrectly! And you really can't tell on a computer screen since we are all seeing slightly different things! Good luck, colour shades with early US stamps is very difficult!!

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re: A pressing Postage Due Question. J29 or J31?

Thanks for the advice Harvey!
Yeah, colors are hard!
Also, I guess eliminating one is better than none!
-Ari

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