or this.... it's got 21 watchers. Someone's gonna hit the "Buy it Now" button.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204588342156?_s ...
You quite often see a lot of watchers for this type of stuff, I think people are curious whether anyone could afford to buy it!!
It's a bit odd actually, my BC#1 or #3 has a CV higher than a lot of stuff like this so I guess if my local dealer ran into an item like one of the inverts and allowed me to get it on a bunch of payments, well, you never know!
What is the back story on the stamps in question?
Is it known how many errors were printed?
The backs of the stamps would be normal and with the Canada Seaway stamp I showed there were (supposedly) 400 printed. Unitrade says it was the text that was inverted. For the Pan Am US series of inverts there is no mention in my US Scott's specialized as to the number that was done but I bet one of the SoR readers knows that!! I would guess the colour would have been done in two stages and someone fed a few sheets through backwards and they went through unnoticed. I'm sure there is information on line somewhere. All I know is that these items are out of reach of the normal collector!!
@Harvey
back-story
noun: a history or background
(although I understand the point of confusion, with 1899's obsession with scans of the back of stamps )
1-Cent Pan-American Invert (Scott #294a)
Known examples: Approximately 600 to 700 copies.
These are the most common of the three denominations with the inverted center error. Many were saved due to their immediate discovery when issued.
2-Cent Pan-American Invert (Scott #295a)
Known examples: Approximately 200 to 250 copies.
This denomination is less common than the 1-cent but was also saved by collectors early on.
4-Cent Pan-American Invert (Scott #296a)
Known examples: Fewer than 100 copies.
The 1959 Canadian Seaway Invert (Scott #387a) is a notable error in Canadian philately. The exact number of these error stamps in existence is not definitively known, but estimates suggest that approximately 200 to 400 copies are in private hands.
These stamps were printed in sheets of 200, which were then divided into four panes of 50 for distribution. Reports indicate that error panes were discovered in post offices in Winnipeg, Manitoba; Picton, Ontario; and Peterborough, Ontario.
The first reported discovery occurred in Winnipeg, where a young office boy from the Marlborough Hotel purchased 30 stamps from a post office outlet in the Eaton store on August 20, 1959.
Some sources suggest that about 200 mint Seaway Inverts are in private hands, with an additional 48 used off-cover and 22 on-cover or on-piece examples.
In other words, there are still likely some undiscovered examples out there!
Roy
@Harvey & Roy
Do you know if these were flat press printed or rotarty presss printed.
I don't have a Cat. for Canada.
If neither of you know, that's ok.
Flat plate of 200, cut into panes of 50 for distribution to post offices. Theory is that two sheets of 200 were accidentally rotated before the second pass in the press for the second color.
Roy
Thanks for all the information Roy and for all the work involved in getting it! Wouldn't it be great to be going through a bunch of stamps and find a Seaway invert? It'd be like the person who discovered the third Canada #32 in a bunch of stamps!
"According to a cover story in Canadian Stamp News, the third 2c Laid Paper was found in an American Philatelic Society salesbook and purchased for less than $5."
Thank you Harvey & Roy for the information, a good starting point!
I'm a person Who Loves To Talk About Stamps!
Every stamp has a story. For me rare stamps often has the most interesting stories.
Is there a sor member who has more information and would like share it with me?
The Scott Cat. number is 387a, perhaps other Cat. other than Scott uses a different Cat. number, does any sor member know these number(s)?
Ok the stamp in question is flat press printed.
Sometimes there is an offsett or set off image because the previoius sheet was too wet. Does this happen on Canada stamps from the era of the 387a?
I've got quite a few early offsets including these two total offsets which are given the German name abklatsch which sort of translates as "cheap copy". I had someone explain to me how this happens. It's a bit more complicated than just transfer from a wet stamp. The third stamp shown is a bit different, it's printed on the gum side. Fronts and backs of all three stamps are shown. The first set of images is under the gum. Can any one explain to me how an abklatsch is produced? I seem to remember it has something to do with ink on the roller.
I ran into this on line but I'm not sure if it is right or complete!
"Depending upon the printing process, they can also happen when a sheet of paper doesn't feed, and the stamp image is 'printed' directly onto the press. The next sheet of paper through the press can get inked on both the front and the back, with the back being mirrored."
@Harvey
Does this happen on the stamp in question on your OP 12 Jan 2025 11:58:49AM?
Thank you
No, on that stamp the sheet was just put in up-side-down for the second part of the printing process. For the abklatch the image is on the back of the stamp.
@Harvey
Sorry Harvey, guess I got you confused, I'm asking about the Scott 387a, in your OP?
"in your OP?"
I assume OP is "original post".
In the original post the error was a top to bottom reversal of the sheet which turned part of the image upside down on the top face of the stamp. In the abklatch material the problem was a back to front problem. Since ink was not where it was supposed to be a mirror image ended up on the glue side, or back, of the stamp.
@Harvey
OK thanks I fully understand now!
It's interesting this stamp is flat plate printed!
For Harevy OP, what would the offset/set off on a regular 387 appears to be and likewise what would 387a appear?
I saw this on E-Bay from a company I have got wonderful stuff from before. Wouldn't it be wonderful to be able to afford something like this?
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/267100569378?itm ...
re: We can only dream!!
or this.... it's got 21 watchers. Someone's gonna hit the "Buy it Now" button.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204588342156?_s ...
re: We can only dream!!
You quite often see a lot of watchers for this type of stuff, I think people are curious whether anyone could afford to buy it!!
It's a bit odd actually, my BC#1 or #3 has a CV higher than a lot of stuff like this so I guess if my local dealer ran into an item like one of the inverts and allowed me to get it on a bunch of payments, well, you never know!
re: We can only dream!!
What is the back story on the stamps in question?
Is it known how many errors were printed?
re: We can only dream!!
The backs of the stamps would be normal and with the Canada Seaway stamp I showed there were (supposedly) 400 printed. Unitrade says it was the text that was inverted. For the Pan Am US series of inverts there is no mention in my US Scott's specialized as to the number that was done but I bet one of the SoR readers knows that!! I would guess the colour would have been done in two stages and someone fed a few sheets through backwards and they went through unnoticed. I'm sure there is information on line somewhere. All I know is that these items are out of reach of the normal collector!!
re: We can only dream!!
@Harvey
back-story
noun: a history or background
(although I understand the point of confusion, with 1899's obsession with scans of the back of stamps )
1-Cent Pan-American Invert (Scott #294a)
Known examples: Approximately 600 to 700 copies.
These are the most common of the three denominations with the inverted center error. Many were saved due to their immediate discovery when issued.
2-Cent Pan-American Invert (Scott #295a)
Known examples: Approximately 200 to 250 copies.
This denomination is less common than the 1-cent but was also saved by collectors early on.
4-Cent Pan-American Invert (Scott #296a)
Known examples: Fewer than 100 copies.
The 1959 Canadian Seaway Invert (Scott #387a) is a notable error in Canadian philately. The exact number of these error stamps in existence is not definitively known, but estimates suggest that approximately 200 to 400 copies are in private hands.
These stamps were printed in sheets of 200, which were then divided into four panes of 50 for distribution. Reports indicate that error panes were discovered in post offices in Winnipeg, Manitoba; Picton, Ontario; and Peterborough, Ontario.
The first reported discovery occurred in Winnipeg, where a young office boy from the Marlborough Hotel purchased 30 stamps from a post office outlet in the Eaton store on August 20, 1959.
Some sources suggest that about 200 mint Seaway Inverts are in private hands, with an additional 48 used off-cover and 22 on-cover or on-piece examples.
In other words, there are still likely some undiscovered examples out there!
Roy
re: We can only dream!!
@Harvey & Roy
Do you know if these were flat press printed or rotarty presss printed.
I don't have a Cat. for Canada.
If neither of you know, that's ok.
re: We can only dream!!
Flat plate of 200, cut into panes of 50 for distribution to post offices. Theory is that two sheets of 200 were accidentally rotated before the second pass in the press for the second color.
Roy
re: We can only dream!!
Thanks for all the information Roy and for all the work involved in getting it! Wouldn't it be great to be going through a bunch of stamps and find a Seaway invert? It'd be like the person who discovered the third Canada #32 in a bunch of stamps!
"According to a cover story in Canadian Stamp News, the third 2c Laid Paper was found in an American Philatelic Society salesbook and purchased for less than $5."
re: We can only dream!!
Thank you Harvey & Roy for the information, a good starting point!
I'm a person Who Loves To Talk About Stamps!
Every stamp has a story. For me rare stamps often has the most interesting stories.
Is there a sor member who has more information and would like share it with me?
The Scott Cat. number is 387a, perhaps other Cat. other than Scott uses a different Cat. number, does any sor member know these number(s)?
re: We can only dream!!
Ok the stamp in question is flat press printed.
Sometimes there is an offsett or set off image because the previoius sheet was too wet. Does this happen on Canada stamps from the era of the 387a?
re: We can only dream!!
I've got quite a few early offsets including these two total offsets which are given the German name abklatsch which sort of translates as "cheap copy". I had someone explain to me how this happens. It's a bit more complicated than just transfer from a wet stamp. The third stamp shown is a bit different, it's printed on the gum side. Fronts and backs of all three stamps are shown. The first set of images is under the gum. Can any one explain to me how an abklatsch is produced? I seem to remember it has something to do with ink on the roller.
I ran into this on line but I'm not sure if it is right or complete!
"Depending upon the printing process, they can also happen when a sheet of paper doesn't feed, and the stamp image is 'printed' directly onto the press. The next sheet of paper through the press can get inked on both the front and the back, with the back being mirrored."
re: We can only dream!!
@Harvey
Does this happen on the stamp in question on your OP 12 Jan 2025 11:58:49AM?
Thank you
re: We can only dream!!
No, on that stamp the sheet was just put in up-side-down for the second part of the printing process. For the abklatch the image is on the back of the stamp.
re: We can only dream!!
@Harvey
Sorry Harvey, guess I got you confused, I'm asking about the Scott 387a, in your OP?
re: We can only dream!!
"in your OP?"
re: We can only dream!!
I assume OP is "original post".
re: We can only dream!!
In the original post the error was a top to bottom reversal of the sheet which turned part of the image upside down on the top face of the stamp. In the abklatch material the problem was a back to front problem. Since ink was not where it was supposed to be a mirror image ended up on the glue side, or back, of the stamp.
re: We can only dream!!
@Harvey
OK thanks I fully understand now!
re: We can only dream!!
It's interesting this stamp is flat plate printed!
re: We can only dream!!
For Harevy OP, what would the offset/set off on a regular 387 appears to be and likewise what would 387a appear?