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408 & 409 do not come perf'd!
There are some interesting varieties on these. Would you post scans of both front and back?
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I never said 408-9 were perf'd. I simply stated that my PB album (or one other I looked at) did not have spaces for PB's in the 405-537 range. If you look at the Scott catalog, you will see that many in this range have PB's listed (including the Imperf 408 and 409). I am wondering if any other members who have a PB album have spaces for PB's in this range. Obviously I can make pages for this range, but I am wondering why they were not included. If anyone has a PB album, please let me know what you have found. Thanks!
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Sorry, I was confused when you said "408 or 409 (perf'd or otherwise).", my mistake!
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No problem... Thanks for the response.
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As far as Scott Plate Block albums go, here is the text from Scott's US 20th Century Regular and Regular Air Post Plate Block album. I suspect this holds true for other albums as well.
"Prior to 1922, U.S. plate blocks were located in more than one position on the sheets. In addition, the trimming of the plate blocks with margin selvage was not uniform. These factors made it virtually impossible to design accurately-sized boxes. Therefore no pages were produced for Regular Plate Blocks prior to Scott 551. The Regular Air Plate Blocks begin with Scott C1."
"National blank pages, product number ACC120 are available to mount items not included in this album."
Even some of the frames in the Scott PB albums are sized for only one possible orientation of the plate block. This is often an issue with flat plate printings where the plate block is 6 rather than 4 stamps and the imprint strip and/or plate number can be vertically or horizontally printed. Accordingly, I've had to make my own pages many times, using the Scott blank pages.
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Hi Uboatnut... There certainly many location variations on these early PB's and there would be no way to include a "space for all the different variations. I believe this is probably the reason (good as any) why these PB's were not included in the albums. I already am making my own pages for these PB's. I appreciate your response. Thanks!
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Another possible reason - the difficulty of accurately identifying many of the Third Bureau Issues.
The 1908-1922 Third Bureau Issue, commonly known as the Washington-Franklins, has 220 major and 99 minor varieties in the series -- it encompasses five design variations, two paper types, two watermarked as well as one unwatermarked type, three printing methods (flat plate, rotary, and offset), at least 14 varieties of perforations, two overprints, several colors, and 20 denominations.
Amassing a complete collection of plate blocks of all the appropriate Scott numbers would require a huge expense of both time and money, something most philatelists would not undertake.
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"The 1908-1922 Third Bureau Issue, commonly known as the Washington-Franklins, has 220 major and 99 minor varieties in the series -- it encompasses five design variations, two paper types, two watermarked as well as one unwatermarked type, three printing methods (flat plate, rotary, and offset), at least 14 varieties of perforations, two overprints, several colors, and 20 denominations."
This is the reason why I stopped collecting them and earlier US since you had to get a cert for many of the expensive ones. If these were issued today, catalogs would relegate many of the die types to minor catalog status.
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I didn't mess with the Washington-Franklins for years because I thought they were "boring" and "difficult". I've been picking some up and I've been having FUN fillings some blank spaces in my album. The vast majority are very minimal value. I haven't looked at any of the scarcer issues yet and when/if I do I'll probably look at ones that have a cert. These two pages have the most per page that I have and are representative of what I'm wanting the collection to look like.
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I recently purchased a set of imperf 408-9 (Scott numbering) PB's. I've noticed that I do not have a place in my plate block album for any 408 or 409 (perf'd or otherwise). In fact, I looked at another PB album and it is the same. Actually, neither one have a place for any PB's in the 405-537 range even though the Scott Specialized catalog shows many of the stamps in that range have PB's. I've never noticed that before. I don't claim to be an expert by any stretch... perhaps someone knows why this is so. There must be a reason. I'm at a loss.
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408 & 409 do not come perf'd!
There are some interesting varieties on these. Would you post scans of both front and back?
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re: No Place in PB Album for 408-9 PB's
I never said 408-9 were perf'd. I simply stated that my PB album (or one other I looked at) did not have spaces for PB's in the 405-537 range. If you look at the Scott catalog, you will see that many in this range have PB's listed (including the Imperf 408 and 409). I am wondering if any other members who have a PB album have spaces for PB's in this range. Obviously I can make pages for this range, but I am wondering why they were not included. If anyone has a PB album, please let me know what you have found. Thanks!
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Sorry, I was confused when you said "408 or 409 (perf'd or otherwise).", my mistake!
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No problem... Thanks for the response.
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re: No Place in PB Album for 408-9 PB's
As far as Scott Plate Block albums go, here is the text from Scott's US 20th Century Regular and Regular Air Post Plate Block album. I suspect this holds true for other albums as well.
"Prior to 1922, U.S. plate blocks were located in more than one position on the sheets. In addition, the trimming of the plate blocks with margin selvage was not uniform. These factors made it virtually impossible to design accurately-sized boxes. Therefore no pages were produced for Regular Plate Blocks prior to Scott 551. The Regular Air Plate Blocks begin with Scott C1."
"National blank pages, product number ACC120 are available to mount items not included in this album."
Even some of the frames in the Scott PB albums are sized for only one possible orientation of the plate block. This is often an issue with flat plate printings where the plate block is 6 rather than 4 stamps and the imprint strip and/or plate number can be vertically or horizontally printed. Accordingly, I've had to make my own pages many times, using the Scott blank pages.
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re: No Place in PB Album for 408-9 PB's
Hi Uboatnut... There certainly many location variations on these early PB's and there would be no way to include a "space for all the different variations. I believe this is probably the reason (good as any) why these PB's were not included in the albums. I already am making my own pages for these PB's. I appreciate your response. Thanks!
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re: No Place in PB Album for 408-9 PB's
Another possible reason - the difficulty of accurately identifying many of the Third Bureau Issues.
The 1908-1922 Third Bureau Issue, commonly known as the Washington-Franklins, has 220 major and 99 minor varieties in the series -- it encompasses five design variations, two paper types, two watermarked as well as one unwatermarked type, three printing methods (flat plate, rotary, and offset), at least 14 varieties of perforations, two overprints, several colors, and 20 denominations.
Amassing a complete collection of plate blocks of all the appropriate Scott numbers would require a huge expense of both time and money, something most philatelists would not undertake.
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re: No Place in PB Album for 408-9 PB's
"The 1908-1922 Third Bureau Issue, commonly known as the Washington-Franklins, has 220 major and 99 minor varieties in the series -- it encompasses five design variations, two paper types, two watermarked as well as one unwatermarked type, three printing methods (flat plate, rotary, and offset), at least 14 varieties of perforations, two overprints, several colors, and 20 denominations."
This is the reason why I stopped collecting them and earlier US since you had to get a cert for many of the expensive ones. If these were issued today, catalogs would relegate many of the die types to minor catalog status.
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re: No Place in PB Album for 408-9 PB's
I didn't mess with the Washington-Franklins for years because I thought they were "boring" and "difficult". I've been picking some up and I've been having FUN fillings some blank spaces in my album. The vast majority are very minimal value. I haven't looked at any of the scarcer issues yet and when/if I do I'll probably look at ones that have a cert. These two pages have the most per page that I have and are representative of what I'm wanting the collection to look like.
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