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03:27:47pm
Of course this doesn't apply to examples like US #10 and 10A and US #11 and 11A. These are considered to be separate stamps and if you collect by album there were be separate spaces for each.
Just curious!!!
EDIT: The main question is "If I have 34a should I remove 34 from my want list?". IMHO the answer is "Yes, but label it properly in the album.".
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I mark them with a notation.
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I add them as extras with a notation as Joe’s suggested. I’ve done that with the different die types on the Australian Kangaroos.
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I put them side by side in my collection, I don't use preprinted album pages so arranging them is easy, same case with booklet stamps where the perfs.
vary, Scott makes no distinction but the location of the straight or straights edges does make a difference to me, I consider them different stamps.
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09:49:19am
I really appreciate the replies but my major question still stands. I'll give the reason for the question. I am missing NS #2 because it is very hard to tell from #3. I have a chance to buy #2i which is a brighter blue than #2. It has a certificate as well. My question is "will this, in your opinion, allow me to take #2 off my want list?". I'm obviously going to note it is 2i but since it is a relatively expensive stamp I plan on counting it as a #2 and as a #2i. I'm just curious what you might do. It won't affect my decision, I'm just curious! By the way my Harris Canada album does not have a separate space for #2i, if it did I would look for one of each because of the way I collect. I am a very old fashioned type of collector who likes to fill, and sometimes over fill, album pages. With the price of albums now I certainly understand why fewer collectors use albums.
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I think you answered the question yourself---it is entirely up to you! I try to collect the "main" item. I generally do not list the variants on a want list, but if the opportunity arises, I buy them. I display them side-by-side, where possible.
I agree that if I were to start over, I would likely not have pre-printed albums. But it would be a Herculean task to change now. I stopped buying albums/supplements over 25 years ago. I use Supersafe binders to store the newer issues in lieu of buying supplements.
The key is that there is no right way to do it.
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07:10:36pm
Thanks Dennis for your opinion. I don't really have a want list for variants but I do keep a list of the ones I have. I will remove NS #2 and add #2i to my NS want/have list when it arrives. I only collect, with a few exceptions, most areas up to a cut off date. For example Canada is 1988 and the US is 1976, way too much new stuff being produced. Except for a few thematic collections I totally use albums. I stopped collecting for a few years and when I got back into it I was too far behind and the supplements were too hard to find. Have a great week!!
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I would add any small letter item with a Scott # as that Scott # to my albums and would typically annotate the album space in an eraseable pencil in case I ever found that stamp later at which point I would add the small letter variant beside the original. As an example for me I have a Great Britain 3a which was placed beside a Great Britain 3 when the Great Britain 3 became available quite unexpectedly. Both are mint stamps.
Similarly a France Scott #32a was originally acquired and later replaced by a France Scott #32. Both are mint stamps.
I have, also, added some additional color variants for USA Scott #537 where spaces are present in the album for 537 and 537c and initially I acquired 537 and 537b but later found 537a and 537c issues. All are mint stamps as well.
I wasn't really looking for the replacement stamps they just seemed to magically appear once I wasn't really looking for them and had removed them from my want list. Now, if a Syria 106c would just magically appear that would be nice!
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Harvey, I annotate the stamp I have on my album page, but I just put one in the spot irrespective of how many variations exist.
I don't add more (variations or original number) on my want list, but I passively collect them, especially if some can be very expensive and often collectors and sellers don't bother to differentiate them.
(perforation variations can be at pennies or $thousands in some case, as is the case, as an example, in early Palestine. (example Palestine 15 $2,75/2 Palestine 15a $ 2.75/1.20 Palestine 15e $875.00/975.00)
If I happen to run into one (or more) Scott listed variations, I will get it and put it next to the original spot.
note that Color and Perforation variations can have huge price differences.
If it is a page with many such variations stuck next to the original one, I will eventually add a custom page just for them.
On some of Steiner's newer CDs, there are often additional pages to print. Look at Cilicia as an example where all the variations (double o/p, inverted o/p, etc,, and perforation varieties exist} and Steiner issues a set of variations pages. I print them and try to add when I run into one I can afford...but I don't have them on my want list and don't seek them actively. Similarly Mexico Exporta Steiner additional pages includes all the watermark, perforation paper thickness, and Sizes variations..resulting in 20+ pages for about just 100 separate stamps, and Steiner takes the trouble to list them all. I am sure there are many others, as Steiner seems to have been adding this extra level of details.
There are other instance where I will design my own page for the variations. Example like Libya Scott #20-31 (perf 14) for example, where Scott adds a full listing of Perforated 14x13.5, or Libya 47-60 perf 13.5 to 14 and here Scott lists 47a-61 perf 11. Here again I add a custom made page, because I have many of the stamps..
I suppose how deep you want to go in collecting the variations depends on you interest and budget. So it is a very individualized question depending on the collection area.
It is also often a love hate relationship with this extra dimension of collecting!
rrr,,,
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02:57:31pm
Thanks Ralph, great answer! As far as pages go I like the crowded pages and have many. It lets me see what's actually going on without moving to another pages. Since I don't use hinges anymore for major collections like the US and Canada I often use the backs of facing pages. Album bulge for these two albums is a bit of a problem but I can live with it!
Have a great day!!
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When I first started collecting and creating albums for British Empire, I allocated spaces for all the minor letters color varieties for the first couple countries (ex: Jamaica). As time went on I stopped seeking the varieties out, as I realized I cannot tell the colors apart myself, and some sellers tended to by too optimistic in identifying their stamps as the more expensive varieties.
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06:44:44pm
Colour varieties are a real pain in the butt!!! Early US material is the worst! How many ways can you say the word RED? Other countries are bad as well, take NS #2 and #3, the difference between blue (2) and dark blue (3) and bright blue (2i). I just bought a copy of NS #2i from a seller I have had great success with. Thankfully it has a certificate but I really wonder how much of an educated guess the people doing the certifications are making!
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This is why I gave up on colors. I believe this reference sheet (believe it came from http://kgvistamps.com/
What I could consider expected variation turns in the hard varities that frustrate me.
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"Blue", "Deep Blue", "Bright Blue"?...... nope.
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08:13:06am
All those stamps in the post above look the same to me! The only reason I'm bothering with the blue, dark blue and bright blue is to "fill the hole" for NS #2 and because of the certificate. I do tend to accumulate varieties for most of my countries but I try to stay away from colour variations unless they are very obvious. That's often not true as the page of Bermuda stamps above shows!
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I could imagine that at the printer the guys come back from lunch after a pint and mix the colors or setup press a little differently. Who is going to care?
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26 Oct 2024
03:27:47pm
To most collectors this question is not very important. I am an old fashioned collector collecting by Scott's numbers using a want (or have) list. Say, for example I have a stamp 34a from country X. Let's say 34a is something simple like a colour variation. Should I consider, for want list purposes, that I have #34? I know most of you would be thinking that that's up to me, which, of course, it is! What I do, unless my album has a space for each, which is unlikely in this case, is consider I have #34 but mark it in my album as 34a. What is the proper procedure in your opinion? I know this is a minor point but I'm curious what you think.
Of course this doesn't apply to examples like US #10 and 10A and US #11 and 11A. These are considered to be separate stamps and if you collect by album there were be separate spaces for each.
Just curious!!!
EDIT: The main question is "If I have 34a should I remove 34 from my want list?". IMHO the answer is "Yes, but label it properly in the album.".
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04:00:57pm
re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
I mark them with a notation.
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I add them as extras with a notation as Joe’s suggested. I’ve done that with the different die types on the Australian Kangaroos.
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re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
I put them side by side in my collection, I don't use preprinted album pages so arranging them is easy, same case with booklet stamps where the perfs.
vary, Scott makes no distinction but the location of the straight or straights edges does make a difference to me, I consider them different stamps.
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27 Oct 2024
09:49:19am
re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
I really appreciate the replies but my major question still stands. I'll give the reason for the question. I am missing NS #2 because it is very hard to tell from #3. I have a chance to buy #2i which is a brighter blue than #2. It has a certificate as well. My question is "will this, in your opinion, allow me to take #2 off my want list?". I'm obviously going to note it is 2i but since it is a relatively expensive stamp I plan on counting it as a #2 and as a #2i. I'm just curious what you might do. It won't affect my decision, I'm just curious! By the way my Harris Canada album does not have a separate space for #2i, if it did I would look for one of each because of the way I collect. I am a very old fashioned type of collector who likes to fill, and sometimes over fill, album pages. With the price of albums now I certainly understand why fewer collectors use albums.
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07:02:18pm
re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
I think you answered the question yourself---it is entirely up to you! I try to collect the "main" item. I generally do not list the variants on a want list, but if the opportunity arises, I buy them. I display them side-by-side, where possible.
I agree that if I were to start over, I would likely not have pre-printed albums. But it would be a Herculean task to change now. I stopped buying albums/supplements over 25 years ago. I use Supersafe binders to store the newer issues in lieu of buying supplements.
The key is that there is no right way to do it.
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27 Oct 2024
07:10:36pm
re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
Thanks Dennis for your opinion. I don't really have a want list for variants but I do keep a list of the ones I have. I will remove NS #2 and add #2i to my NS want/have list when it arrives. I only collect, with a few exceptions, most areas up to a cut off date. For example Canada is 1988 and the US is 1976, way too much new stuff being produced. Except for a few thematic collections I totally use albums. I stopped collecting for a few years and when I got back into it I was too far behind and the supplements were too hard to find. Have a great week!!
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re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
I would add any small letter item with a Scott # as that Scott # to my albums and would typically annotate the album space in an eraseable pencil in case I ever found that stamp later at which point I would add the small letter variant beside the original. As an example for me I have a Great Britain 3a which was placed beside a Great Britain 3 when the Great Britain 3 became available quite unexpectedly. Both are mint stamps.
Similarly a France Scott #32a was originally acquired and later replaced by a France Scott #32. Both are mint stamps.
I have, also, added some additional color variants for USA Scott #537 where spaces are present in the album for 537 and 537c and initially I acquired 537 and 537b but later found 537a and 537c issues. All are mint stamps as well.
I wasn't really looking for the replacement stamps they just seemed to magically appear once I wasn't really looking for them and had removed them from my want list. Now, if a Syria 106c would just magically appear that would be nice!
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re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
Harvey, I annotate the stamp I have on my album page, but I just put one in the spot irrespective of how many variations exist.
I don't add more (variations or original number) on my want list, but I passively collect them, especially if some can be very expensive and often collectors and sellers don't bother to differentiate them.
(perforation variations can be at pennies or $thousands in some case, as is the case, as an example, in early Palestine. (example Palestine 15 $2,75/2 Palestine 15a $ 2.75/1.20 Palestine 15e $875.00/975.00)
If I happen to run into one (or more) Scott listed variations, I will get it and put it next to the original spot.
note that Color and Perforation variations can have huge price differences.
If it is a page with many such variations stuck next to the original one, I will eventually add a custom page just for them.
On some of Steiner's newer CDs, there are often additional pages to print. Look at Cilicia as an example where all the variations (double o/p, inverted o/p, etc,, and perforation varieties exist} and Steiner issues a set of variations pages. I print them and try to add when I run into one I can afford...but I don't have them on my want list and don't seek them actively. Similarly Mexico Exporta Steiner additional pages includes all the watermark, perforation paper thickness, and Sizes variations..resulting in 20+ pages for about just 100 separate stamps, and Steiner takes the trouble to list them all. I am sure there are many others, as Steiner seems to have been adding this extra level of details.
There are other instance where I will design my own page for the variations. Example like Libya Scott #20-31 (perf 14) for example, where Scott adds a full listing of Perforated 14x13.5, or Libya 47-60 perf 13.5 to 14 and here Scott lists 47a-61 perf 11. Here again I add a custom made page, because I have many of the stamps..
I suppose how deep you want to go in collecting the variations depends on you interest and budget. So it is a very individualized question depending on the collection area.
It is also often a love hate relationship with this extra dimension of collecting!
rrr,,,
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28 Oct 2024
02:57:31pm
re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
Thanks Ralph, great answer! As far as pages go I like the crowded pages and have many. It lets me see what's actually going on without moving to another pages. Since I don't use hinges anymore for major collections like the US and Canada I often use the backs of facing pages. Album bulge for these two albums is a bit of a problem but I can live with it!
Have a great day!!
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re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
When I first started collecting and creating albums for British Empire, I allocated spaces for all the minor letters color varieties for the first couple countries (ex: Jamaica). As time went on I stopped seeking the varieties out, as I realized I cannot tell the colors apart myself, and some sellers tended to by too optimistic in identifying their stamps as the more expensive varieties.
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28 Oct 2024
06:44:44pm
re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
Colour varieties are a real pain in the butt!!! Early US material is the worst! How many ways can you say the word RED? Other countries are bad as well, take NS #2 and #3, the difference between blue (2) and dark blue (3) and bright blue (2i). I just bought a copy of NS #2i from a seller I have had great success with. Thankfully it has a certificate but I really wonder how much of an educated guess the people doing the certifications are making!
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re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
This is why I gave up on colors. I believe this reference sheet (believe it came from http://kgvistamps.com/
What I could consider expected variation turns in the hard varities that frustrate me.
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re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
"Blue", "Deep Blue", "Bright Blue"?...... nope.
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29 Oct 2024
08:13:06am
re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
All those stamps in the post above look the same to me! The only reason I'm bothering with the blue, dark blue and bright blue is to "fill the hole" for NS #2 and because of the certificate. I do tend to accumulate varieties for most of my countries but I try to stay away from colour variations unless they are very obvious. That's often not true as the page of Bermuda stamps above shows!
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re: A question I have thought about asking a few times
I could imagine that at the printer the guys come back from lunch after a pint and mix the colors or setup press a little differently. Who is going to care?
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