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For the second stamp I have a set (?) of eight - no denomination, 1/2pi, 1pi, 1 1/2pi, 2pi, 2 1/2pi, 3pi, 5pi. That's all my Minkus Album has room for!
For the first stamp I have the 2pi and 2 1/2pi in blue overprints and there might be more since the album only shows the 2pi. I also have a 3pi in black and the album has room for a 2 1/2pi and a 5pi which I don't have.
That's all I can say at this time except they are listed under offices in the Levant (i.e. Turkey, sort of). Scott's doesn't list them individually but shows an example and says that are Offices in the Turkish Empire 1900 - 1910. They don't seem to be in Stanley Gibbons but maybe I'm not looking in the right place!!
EDIT: I noticed I do have a few spares of most of the orange set and I have them labeled "Russia Company of Navigation and Trade 1910 - 1920 (Private)" which seems to match what you say. The difference in dates is a bit odd, I think the second set of dates is an error.
EDIT#2: My Minkus album has numbers for all this material so if one of the members has access to a Minkus Catalog it might be a huge help!!
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Thanks Harvey for the feedback. Early 20th century Russia is an interesting and perplexing era with everything in an upheaval... i.e. civil war, various offices, so many different surcharges. With very little information (Scott seems to have largely ignored these stamps), it is difficult to determine what is valid and what is invalid. Regardless, it is an interesting era!
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06:38:09pm
My Minkus album has a huge section for this type of Russian material. Of course there are huge gaps!! It's not that the stuff is expensive, it's just very complicated and extremely hard to find!! It even separated the Ukraine trident overprints by region. I have well over 100 of these stamps that have to be sorted by looking at minor differences in the various tridents. One of these days I'll give it a try. If you are interested in the spares I have in the orange series I would be happy to send them to you. Just let me know!! This is a fascinating area to collect but very very difficult to sort out. Good luck!!
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Another tidbit...
The Russian Company of Navigation and Trade (ROPiT) produced several types of stamps while operating mail services in the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century:
1863: The first stamp, a large square design worth six kopecks, was issued.
1865: Normal-sized 2k and 20k stamps were issued, featuring the imperial coat of arms and a sailing ship.
1866: A similar design to the 1865 stamps was issued, but with better execution.
1868: A design with a large value in the center was used.
1876 and 1879: Overprints for 8 kopeck and 7 kopeck values were used.
1879 and 1884: The colors of the stamps were changed to match the contemporary stamps of Russia.
1900: The printing of special stamps was stopped, and instead regular Russian stamps were surcharged.
ROPiT had shipping and postal agencies in Akko, Haifa, Jaffa, and Jerusalem.
Some examples...
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Okay, Paul... I have looked up these items in my Minkus Vol2_Part2 1976-77 Europe and Colonies. And, I see why Harvey has such a large space in his Minkus album for these stamps!
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ROPiT listings from Minkus continued...
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And, the final set of listings for Ropit stamps from Minkus...
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Dang... Looks like I'm going to have to find me an old Minkus catalog. Thanks Larry!
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Thanks Terry Great stuff!!!!
The only person who used to post this kind of material in his books on a fairly regular basis was Eric Fried and he hasn't posted a book for a very long time!!!
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Does anyone out there have access to a blank, or almost blank, set of pages for the Russia Minkus BOB that includes about 100 pages of material like this?
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I have a couple of surcharged stamps which Scott does not list. They were produced by the private company Russian Company of Navigation and Trade in Odessa in 1919 using leftover stock of Russian Post Office in Turkey stamps. They had no postal validity as the full postal service was never re-established in the former Ottoman Empire. As Scott does not list them, were they listed in other catalogs (i.e. Michel)? I would like to get an idea of how many varieties were produced so I can layout a page for display.
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26 Sep 2024
05:14:15pm
re: Russian Offices in Turkey
For the second stamp I have a set (?) of eight - no denomination, 1/2pi, 1pi, 1 1/2pi, 2pi, 2 1/2pi, 3pi, 5pi. That's all my Minkus Album has room for!
For the first stamp I have the 2pi and 2 1/2pi in blue overprints and there might be more since the album only shows the 2pi. I also have a 3pi in black and the album has room for a 2 1/2pi and a 5pi which I don't have.
That's all I can say at this time except they are listed under offices in the Levant (i.e. Turkey, sort of). Scott's doesn't list them individually but shows an example and says that are Offices in the Turkish Empire 1900 - 1910. They don't seem to be in Stanley Gibbons but maybe I'm not looking in the right place!!
EDIT: I noticed I do have a few spares of most of the orange set and I have them labeled "Russia Company of Navigation and Trade 1910 - 1920 (Private)" which seems to match what you say. The difference in dates is a bit odd, I think the second set of dates is an error.
EDIT#2: My Minkus album has numbers for all this material so if one of the members has access to a Minkus Catalog it might be a huge help!!
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re: Russian Offices in Turkey
Thanks Harvey for the feedback. Early 20th century Russia is an interesting and perplexing era with everything in an upheaval... i.e. civil war, various offices, so many different surcharges. With very little information (Scott seems to have largely ignored these stamps), it is difficult to determine what is valid and what is invalid. Regardless, it is an interesting era!
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26 Sep 2024
06:38:09pm
re: Russian Offices in Turkey
My Minkus album has a huge section for this type of Russian material. Of course there are huge gaps!! It's not that the stuff is expensive, it's just very complicated and extremely hard to find!! It even separated the Ukraine trident overprints by region. I have well over 100 of these stamps that have to be sorted by looking at minor differences in the various tridents. One of these days I'll give it a try. If you are interested in the spares I have in the orange series I would be happy to send them to you. Just let me know!! This is a fascinating area to collect but very very difficult to sort out. Good luck!!
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re: Russian Offices in Turkey
Another tidbit...
The Russian Company of Navigation and Trade (ROPiT) produced several types of stamps while operating mail services in the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century:
1863: The first stamp, a large square design worth six kopecks, was issued.
1865: Normal-sized 2k and 20k stamps were issued, featuring the imperial coat of arms and a sailing ship.
1866: A similar design to the 1865 stamps was issued, but with better execution.
1868: A design with a large value in the center was used.
1876 and 1879: Overprints for 8 kopeck and 7 kopeck values were used.
1879 and 1884: The colors of the stamps were changed to match the contemporary stamps of Russia.
1900: The printing of special stamps was stopped, and instead regular Russian stamps were surcharged.
ROPiT had shipping and postal agencies in Akko, Haifa, Jaffa, and Jerusalem.
Some examples...
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re: Russian Offices in Turkey
Okay, Paul... I have looked up these items in my Minkus Vol2_Part2 1976-77 Europe and Colonies. And, I see why Harvey has such a large space in his Minkus album for these stamps!
(to be continued...)
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re: Russian Offices in Turkey
ROPiT listings from Minkus continued...
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re: Russian Offices in Turkey
And, the final set of listings for Ropit stamps from Minkus...
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re: Russian Offices in Turkey
Dang... Looks like I'm going to have to find me an old Minkus catalog. Thanks Larry!
Paul
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26 Sep 2024
09:15:15pm
re: Russian Offices in Turkey
Thanks Terry Great stuff!!!!
The only person who used to post this kind of material in his books on a fairly regular basis was Eric Fried and he hasn't posted a book for a very long time!!!
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10:17:39pm
re: Russian Offices in Turkey
Does anyone out there have access to a blank, or almost blank, set of pages for the Russia Minkus BOB that includes about 100 pages of material like this?
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