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28 Jul 2024
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29 Jul 2024
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Hi! What is the Scott # ? Chris

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29 Jul 2024
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Hi Chris,
I'm not sure. Was throwing it out to the group. I did some poking around online but couldn't find the answer.

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joesm

29 Jul 2024
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I would guess that it is the 1 cent cat in about 2012-14. If that is the case, I've got quite a few, I think. It was a lick and stick coil stamp.

Well, I was wrong (not the first time). The one cent bobcat was first printed in 2012 with a second printing dated 2015, all self adhesive coils. So, I went backwards from there, as I'm pretty sure that everything from there forward is self adhesive. It looks as though the last lick and stick stamp was printed in 2009. Number 4391 is a moisture activated coil version of the 44 cent stars and stripes of that year.
I do not have a copy in my album and am always looking for one. Now I see why. The catalog value is 1.00, four times the average value for a definitive stamp. Obviously, not a lot were printed! Sometimes, if I would just look at the catalog, I can see why I have holes in the album. That is the only 2009 that I do not have.

A further update! I wasn't convinced that I did not have a lick and stick one cent bobcat, so I searched my album. I do have this issue in moisture activated coil! In 2013, mav coils of the bobcat were issued. Scott number 4802, so this is likely the last one printed! The problem is my 2024 Scott pocket catalog. I bought it to replace my 2017 version, which I love. The illustrations in the new one are not as good. Also, some issues, this one included, are not illustrated! My plan was to sell the older one but the illustrations are so much better and more complete that I'm keeping it.

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29 Jul 2024
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@Joe..

My 2015 catalog says that Scott 4802 is type A3564 is perf 9 3/4 vert. but it doesn't say moisture activated.

Scott 4672 (also type A3564) is serpentine die cut and self-adhesive.

Why would USPS issue the same stamp two months later perforated and moisture activated?

Are we sure 4802 was the Last of the Mohicans?

Thanks for the information, Joe!

Ernie

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30 Jul 2024
09:06:09am
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Hey Ernie:
The 4802 that I have in my album is definitely lick and stick. I was sure that I had a few strips of them on paper, but couldn't find them. Since they were used for bulk mailings, a water activated coil would be easier to use. You would just tear off 3 or 5 as you needed them. Now those low denominations come on coil strips and have a slight separation between stamps, like the Meyer lemon 1 cent currently being used. Makes no sense to me as they surely must cost more than one cent to produce. If I find a strip or two of the 4802, I'll mail one to you if you like.

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Naw, man it's ok.. I was just trying to satisfy my curiosity more than anything else. Thank you for the generous offer Joe.

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30 Jul 2024
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I decided this morning that I liked the Great Americans series and found 60 / 64 for a very reasonable price on E-Bay and then found 2 more in SoR books. And, wouldn't you know, of the two I still don't have one of them is the only one that's "peel and stick"! Coincidence, I think not! People really don't want to deal with the darn things!!!

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30 Jul 2024
02:16:07pm
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@ernieinjax

Depending on your definition of last one produced, take a look at Scott # 3761A, the 4c Chippendale Chair. While the design was first issued 7/19/2007, Scott 3761, printed by Sennett Security Products, it was reprinted by Ashton Potter and issued on 1/2/2014 and was assigned a major Scott number. Scott 3761 is dated 2007, while 3761A is dated 2013. The water activated Bobcat was issued 8/9/2013.

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30 Jul 2024
02:25:09pm
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@Harvey

I have two self-adhesives in my Great Americans collection, 55c Justin Morrill and 77c Mary Breckinridge.

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30 Jul 2024
04:07:54pm
re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

According to the list for definatives in the first part of my Scott's US Specialized the 77 cent stamp exists only perforated. In this 2016 edition that is the only version listed so maybe it was re-released later in the peel and stick form. I have no idea!
This is the order I just bought and the 77 cent stamp certainly appears to be self adhesive by looking at the "perforations"(?).
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30 Jul 2024
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@Moderators and Harvey,

Not trying to cause a dust up but are we still trying to keep threads on the original topic?

Would I be out of bounds to ask that we move the Great Americans posts to their own thread? I love those stamps too and might have something to add but I was trying to explore this idea of the last perforated, moisture activated stamp in the US.

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30 Jul 2024
07:02:24pm
re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

I think I was almost on point with my earlier post even though the last post was way out. My point was that of the two I didn't get one was what I thought to be the only non "moisture activated US postage stamp" in the Great Americans lot. I didn't see that as a coincidence. My last post was way out in right field, I'm sorry about that and I'll go back and delete it to keep things more or less on the right path. Thanks Ernie for keeping us honest!

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Don't delete em! Let's start another thread. Ask Antonio to move them

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30 Jul 2024
07:21:03pm
re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

I left the post with the picture of most of that amazing series. It is a wonderful series but there is no need to discuss it here. When I get the series complete I'll post another picture and a discussion can start then if anyone wants to do so. I agree, we have to try to stay on topic, or at least close. Sometimes I get a bit carried away and need to be reined in - I've been watching Rocky Lane westerns on YouTube lately!!

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joesm

31 Jul 2024
06:47:17pm
re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

Well, our discussion about the last water activated U.S. stamp prompted me to do something that I have needed to do for a while. I have accumulated a boxful of low denomination strips on paper since about 2015 from boxes of kiloware. These are used for special rate mailings from non profits. It is clear that the last lick and stick U.S. stamp was the 2013 bobcat one cent coil. But, it's interesting to see the numbers of these stamps when accumulated this way. The box is utterly dominated by the 2016 one cent apple, probably 2000 individual self adhesive stamps. The next largest group are the combinations of denominations. The next largest group is the 10 cent red pear. But, the numbers of the 5 cent grapes is half the 10 cent while the numbers for the 1 cent bobcat, the 2 cent meyer lemon and the 3 cent strawberry are crazy low! There are only 50 copies of the bobcat, about evenly divided between the 2012 and 15 self adhesive and the 2013 water activated coil. Even less than 50 of the 2 cent and 3 cent. You would think that you would buy a roll of 2 cent and 3 cent stamps versus putting 5 one cent stamps an envelope. Go figure. Ernie in jax, if you would like a strip of 5 of the water activated bobcat, just let me now. It has a plate no. too. If anyone needs any of the 2 or 3 centers, also let me know.

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31 Jul 2024
08:15:41pm
re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

@Joe,
That sounds good friend I'd appreciate that.

I think alot of collectors are drawn to superlatives first, last, only etc.

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02 Aug 2024
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i just added a FDC for the 1c bobcat in the auction. Rare that I stumble on a stamp or cover that was recently the subject of a discusion. Here it is: https://stamporama.com/auction/auction_m ...


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This little guy is getting his 15 minutes of fame..Laughing

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28 Jul 2024
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Anyone have a copy of the Last of the Mohicans?

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29 Jul 2024
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Hi! What is the Scott # ? Chris

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29 Jul 2024
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Hi Chris,
I'm not sure. Was throwing it out to the group. I did some poking around online but couldn't find the answer.

Ernie

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29 Jul 2024
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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

I would guess that it is the 1 cent cat in about 2012-14. If that is the case, I've got quite a few, I think. It was a lick and stick coil stamp.

Well, I was wrong (not the first time). The one cent bobcat was first printed in 2012 with a second printing dated 2015, all self adhesive coils. So, I went backwards from there, as I'm pretty sure that everything from there forward is self adhesive. It looks as though the last lick and stick stamp was printed in 2009. Number 4391 is a moisture activated coil version of the 44 cent stars and stripes of that year.
I do not have a copy in my album and am always looking for one. Now I see why. The catalog value is 1.00, four times the average value for a definitive stamp. Obviously, not a lot were printed! Sometimes, if I would just look at the catalog, I can see why I have holes in the album. That is the only 2009 that I do not have.

A further update! I wasn't convinced that I did not have a lick and stick one cent bobcat, so I searched my album. I do have this issue in moisture activated coil! In 2013, mav coils of the bobcat were issued. Scott number 4802, so this is likely the last one printed! The problem is my 2024 Scott pocket catalog. I bought it to replace my 2017 version, which I love. The illustrations in the new one are not as good. Also, some issues, this one included, are not illustrated! My plan was to sell the older one but the illustrations are so much better and more complete that I'm keeping it.

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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

@Joe..

My 2015 catalog says that Scott 4802 is type A3564 is perf 9 3/4 vert. but it doesn't say moisture activated.

Scott 4672 (also type A3564) is serpentine die cut and self-adhesive.

Why would USPS issue the same stamp two months later perforated and moisture activated?

Are we sure 4802 was the Last of the Mohicans?

Thanks for the information, Joe!

Ernie

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30 Jul 2024
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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

Hey Ernie:
The 4802 that I have in my album is definitely lick and stick. I was sure that I had a few strips of them on paper, but couldn't find them. Since they were used for bulk mailings, a water activated coil would be easier to use. You would just tear off 3 or 5 as you needed them. Now those low denominations come on coil strips and have a slight separation between stamps, like the Meyer lemon 1 cent currently being used. Makes no sense to me as they surely must cost more than one cent to produce. If I find a strip or two of the 4802, I'll mail one to you if you like.

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Naw, man it's ok.. I was just trying to satisfy my curiosity more than anything else. Thank you for the generous offer Joe.

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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

I decided this morning that I liked the Great Americans series and found 60 / 64 for a very reasonable price on E-Bay and then found 2 more in SoR books. And, wouldn't you know, of the two I still don't have one of them is the only one that's "peel and stick"! Coincidence, I think not! People really don't want to deal with the darn things!!!

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30 Jul 2024
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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

@ernieinjax

Depending on your definition of last one produced, take a look at Scott # 3761A, the 4c Chippendale Chair. While the design was first issued 7/19/2007, Scott 3761, printed by Sennett Security Products, it was reprinted by Ashton Potter and issued on 1/2/2014 and was assigned a major Scott number. Scott 3761 is dated 2007, while 3761A is dated 2013. The water activated Bobcat was issued 8/9/2013.

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30 Jul 2024
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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

@Harvey

I have two self-adhesives in my Great Americans collection, 55c Justin Morrill and 77c Mary Breckinridge.

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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

According to the list for definatives in the first part of my Scott's US Specialized the 77 cent stamp exists only perforated. In this 2016 edition that is the only version listed so maybe it was re-released later in the peel and stick form. I have no idea!
This is the order I just bought and the 77 cent stamp certainly appears to be self adhesive by looking at the "perforations"(?).
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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

@Moderators and Harvey,

Not trying to cause a dust up but are we still trying to keep threads on the original topic?

Would I be out of bounds to ask that we move the Great Americans posts to their own thread? I love those stamps too and might have something to add but I was trying to explore this idea of the last perforated, moisture activated stamp in the US.

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30 Jul 2024
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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

I think I was almost on point with my earlier post even though the last post was way out. My point was that of the two I didn't get one was what I thought to be the only non "moisture activated US postage stamp" in the Great Americans lot. I didn't see that as a coincidence. My last post was way out in right field, I'm sorry about that and I'll go back and delete it to keep things more or less on the right path. Thanks Ernie for keeping us honest!

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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

Don't delete em! Let's start another thread. Ask Antonio to move them

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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

I left the post with the picture of most of that amazing series. It is a wonderful series but there is no need to discuss it here. When I get the series complete I'll post another picture and a discussion can start then if anyone wants to do so. I agree, we have to try to stay on topic, or at least close. Sometimes I get a bit carried away and need to be reined in - I've been watching Rocky Lane westerns on YouTube lately!!

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31 Jul 2024
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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

Well, our discussion about the last water activated U.S. stamp prompted me to do something that I have needed to do for a while. I have accumulated a boxful of low denomination strips on paper since about 2015 from boxes of kiloware. These are used for special rate mailings from non profits. It is clear that the last lick and stick U.S. stamp was the 2013 bobcat one cent coil. But, it's interesting to see the numbers of these stamps when accumulated this way. The box is utterly dominated by the 2016 one cent apple, probably 2000 individual self adhesive stamps. The next largest group are the combinations of denominations. The next largest group is the 10 cent red pear. But, the numbers of the 5 cent grapes is half the 10 cent while the numbers for the 1 cent bobcat, the 2 cent meyer lemon and the 3 cent strawberry are crazy low! There are only 50 copies of the bobcat, about evenly divided between the 2012 and 15 self adhesive and the 2013 water activated coil. Even less than 50 of the 2 cent and 3 cent. You would think that you would buy a roll of 2 cent and 3 cent stamps versus putting 5 one cent stamps an envelope. Go figure. Ernie in jax, if you would like a strip of 5 of the water activated bobcat, just let me now. It has a plate no. too. If anyone needs any of the 2 or 3 centers, also let me know.

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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

@Joe,
That sounds good friend I'd appreciate that.

I think alot of collectors are drawn to superlatives first, last, only etc.

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i just added a FDC for the 1c bobcat in the auction. Rare that I stumble on a stamp or cover that was recently the subject of a discusion. Here it is: https://stamporama.com/auction/auction_m ...


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re: The last moisture activated, perforated US postage stamp

This little guy is getting his 15 minutes of fame..Laughing

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