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General Philatelic/Newcomer Cnr : one more question about possible a59

 

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jodi

12 Apr 2024
01:25:41am
I found this sheet of stamps in an old atlas I was buying at an estate sale (I also bought a great but haphazard collection of old stamps.I cant find out how this
error is coded ...has anyone seen this error before?

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12 Apr 2024
06:22:58am
re: one more question about possible a59

I suspect that it's a minor enough color shift that Scott didn't warrant it a listing. EFO specialists would likely assign a modest premium to the price, though.

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joesm

12 Apr 2024
07:49:22am
re: one more question about possible a59

Hi Jodi:
As it happens, I was given a Scott specialty album recently of U.S. errors. There is a space for a 1363 error (1363c) but it is for the light yellow being omitted. The 2024 catalog doesn’t list a color shift error but you have a nice one.
I didn’t realize how often errors occur but it stands to reason. I have a few errors that I have come across over the years. They are all either colors omitted or perforations not cut.

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12 Apr 2024
10:37:23am
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As Allen notes, this is a color shift or plate misregistration. It falls under the EFO category (where unfortunately, E represents Error) but is not an error (at least not with the traditional philatelic definition).

because it is not a true error, it won't be listed in Scott

But it IS a nice example of when bad things happen to good stamps

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12 Apr 2024
12:34:10pm
re: one more question about possible a59

Years ago my wife and I, we were just collecting Canada and US at that time, got into what collectors referred to as "fly specking". Every stamp we got was pored over looking for things like spots of colour, colour shifts, small design variations, variations in tagging, etc. It's amazing how much we found!! Eventually, when it started to take over our lives, we gave it up. We found a few items of value but not very many. I think our best find was a block of 9 for a Canadian native stamp with a missing bird on a totem pole (572ii) - CV of over $200 now! Your colour shift is very nice but I'm afraid not worth much. But hang in there, there is good stuff waiting out there to be found. I know it's not an error but Canada #32, a wove paper version of the two cent green large Queen, is out there to be found. Three have been located so far and the last one was found by someone checking a stock book of Canada stuff!! The catalog value is around $125 000!! Everyone should check their copies of Scott #24, you never know!!

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12 Apr 2024
08:22:37pm
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" Canada #32, a wove paper version of the two cent green large Queen, "



Wove paper is the common version. You mean the laid paper.

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12 Apr 2024
09:42:33pm
re: one more question about possible a59

"You mean the laid paper"


Yup, just checked Scott's and my album, you're right!!!!
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jodi

14 Apr 2024
05:33:21pm
re: one more question about possible a59

Thank you guys for all of the posts and info.. I am learning a lot already! is this a 212 and is a pen cancellation ok/ normal enough?Image Not Found

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14 Apr 2024
06:51:46pm
re: one more question about possible a59

The image is a little blurry, but believe the stamp is a Scott #145. The Scott #156 has a small cresent in the pearl at the left of the numeral 1. This stamp also has different Scott numbers if there is a grill present. The pen cancel in my opinion makes little difference.

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14 Apr 2024
07:10:23pm
re: one more question about possible a59

Not 212. It is not Type A59. Take a look at the wording above Franklin's head.

Rather, it is type A44, which has 8 different Scott numbers. However, based only on "common-ness", the most likely number is 206.

The pen cancel is quite normal, but the least desirable of cancellations.

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15 Apr 2024
05:50:30pm
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“But it IS a nice example of when bad things happen to good stamps.” — David Teisler

Or, a nice example of when good things happen to otherwise uninteresting stamps! — Bob Ingraham

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jodi

12 Apr 2024
01:25:41am

I found this sheet of stamps in an old atlas I was buying at an estate sale (I also bought a great but haphazard collection of old stamps.I cant find out how this
error is coded ...has anyone seen this error before?

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12 Apr 2024
06:22:58am

re: one more question about possible a59

I suspect that it's a minor enough color shift that Scott didn't warrant it a listing. EFO specialists would likely assign a modest premium to the price, though.

Allen

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12 Apr 2024
07:49:22am

re: one more question about possible a59

Hi Jodi:
As it happens, I was given a Scott specialty album recently of U.S. errors. There is a space for a 1363 error (1363c) but it is for the light yellow being omitted. The 2024 catalog doesn’t list a color shift error but you have a nice one.
I didn’t realize how often errors occur but it stands to reason. I have a few errors that I have come across over the years. They are all either colors omitted or perforations not cut.

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12 Apr 2024
10:37:23am

re: one more question about possible a59

As Allen notes, this is a color shift or plate misregistration. It falls under the EFO category (where unfortunately, E represents Error) but is not an error (at least not with the traditional philatelic definition).

because it is not a true error, it won't be listed in Scott

But it IS a nice example of when bad things happen to good stamps

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
12 Apr 2024
12:34:10pm

re: one more question about possible a59

Years ago my wife and I, we were just collecting Canada and US at that time, got into what collectors referred to as "fly specking". Every stamp we got was pored over looking for things like spots of colour, colour shifts, small design variations, variations in tagging, etc. It's amazing how much we found!! Eventually, when it started to take over our lives, we gave it up. We found a few items of value but not very many. I think our best find was a block of 9 for a Canadian native stamp with a missing bird on a totem pole (572ii) - CV of over $200 now! Your colour shift is very nice but I'm afraid not worth much. But hang in there, there is good stuff waiting out there to be found. I know it's not an error but Canada #32, a wove paper version of the two cent green large Queen, is out there to be found. Three have been located so far and the last one was found by someone checking a stock book of Canada stuff!! The catalog value is around $125 000!! Everyone should check their copies of Scott #24, you never know!!

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12 Apr 2024
08:22:37pm

re: one more question about possible a59

" Canada #32, a wove paper version of the two cent green large Queen, "



Wove paper is the common version. You mean the laid paper.

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
12 Apr 2024
09:42:33pm

re: one more question about possible a59

"You mean the laid paper"


Yup, just checked Scott's and my album, you're right!!!!
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jodi

14 Apr 2024
05:33:21pm

re: one more question about possible a59

Thank you guys for all of the posts and info.. I am learning a lot already! is this a 212 and is a pen cancellation ok/ normal enough?Image Not Found

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14 Apr 2024
06:51:46pm

re: one more question about possible a59

The image is a little blurry, but believe the stamp is a Scott #145. The Scott #156 has a small cresent in the pearl at the left of the numeral 1. This stamp also has different Scott numbers if there is a grill present. The pen cancel in my opinion makes little difference.

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14 Apr 2024
07:10:23pm

re: one more question about possible a59

Not 212. It is not Type A59. Take a look at the wording above Franklin's head.

Rather, it is type A44, which has 8 different Scott numbers. However, based only on "common-ness", the most likely number is 206.

The pen cancel is quite normal, but the least desirable of cancellations.

Roy

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15 Apr 2024
05:50:30pm

re: one more question about possible a59

“But it IS a nice example of when bad things happen to good stamps.” — David Teisler

Or, a nice example of when good things happen to otherwise uninteresting stamps! — Bob Ingraham

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