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The middle stamp is China Scott # 575
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Last one is a China revenue.
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first two are likely Korean, as they use those fish and that configuration.
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The 4th stamp from the left (orange), I'm about 99% certain, is a Japanese revenue. The resolution isn't sharp enough for me to read the writing at the top or the bottom, but, in the middle, the two larger characters are legible. The character on the right is definitely "yen", and that currency designation was only used in Japan. (It can also mean a circle or round in Chinese.)
About the first two stamps, amsd/David makes an extremely reasonable conjecture, because of the yin and yang symbol, which appears on a lot of Korean stamps. However, in this particular case, those are the only two postal savings stamps ever issued by Manchukuo, in 1941. Because they're not for postage, Scott doesn't list them, but the Japanese Sakura catalog does, and numbers them S1 & S2.
Hope that might be a little bit of help!
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First, thank everyone for your resposes.
Guess I did go out of my mind. I do not recall how many times I searched the catalogues, picture by picture and still missed the China Scott #575. Thanks for pointing that out to this feeble brain.
I am posting, hopefully better scans of the last 2 stamps for further review. Believe Philatarium is correct that the stamp is Japanese because of the first symbol in the writing at the top. Just my guess. The last stamp had me stumped becaue of the word "cents" at the bottom. Not sure which Asian country used that verbage. Went back and checked some of the early Chinese revenues as musicman indicated and sure enough found the word Cent on some of the stamps. Who knew?
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Thanks very much, Mel, for rescanning and posting those two!
As you indicated, we can now tell definitively that the left stamp is from Japan. And it is a revenue stamp with the value of 1 yen, using an old character for 1.
And as Randy correctly stated, the one on the right is from China. In the lettering on the top row, the far right character indicates China. Also, on the bottom, the character in the circle to the left of "2 cents" is the character used for cents at that time, and the character in the circle to the right is an old character for 2.
For what it's worth, the Japanese stamp reads from left to right, and the Chinese stamp reads from right to left.
I can't speak for changes to the Chinese writing system to post here, but Japan has simplified its kanji (characters) several times. The characters that give us stamp people a real challenge are the numbers.
I found a chart online (thanks, Wikipedia!) that shows some of the reforms in numerals:
https://linguaholic.com/linguablog/wp-co ...
It's from this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_n ...
Scroll down to the section on formal numbers.
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Edit:
That chart from Wikipedia was in an unusual format. I've now been able to convert it to a .jpg and upload here:
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Mel,
See the top of page 10A in this document for your 2-cent yellow China revenue stamp. I think it is part of this set from the year 1944:
https://www.chinastampsociety.org/files/ ...
From this document, I refer to this snippet:
Hope this helps,
Linus
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Also, details about the first and second stamps can be found here:
http://www.manchukuostamps.com/savings.h ...
Linus
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WOW,WOW WOW!!!!
Tons of great information to add to my reference file. Many thanks to all, I appreciate the responses and the very usuful information provided.
Mel
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Dave/philatarium,
Awesome find on that chart - will be very useful!
Thanks for posting it!
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Randy:
Thanks very much for that last post!
For years, I've been thinking of composing and gathering together some short and medium-length notes that might hopefully be helpful tips about collecting Japan, so thanks for that shot in the arm!
-- Dave
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Dave,
The image of the chart is slightly blurry, but I nonetheless have printed it, laminated it and tucked it away in my Identification Info binder for future reference!
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I noticed that, too, Randy. When I have a chance to sit down and get some quiet time, I'll see if that was an artifact of the image conversion I did.
I may also just recreate the chart, perhaps making it a little easier to read. I know I have the language tools for the modern characters, and will see if I can also get the older ones, too.
If I repair or recreate it, I'll post it in this thread.
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Before I go completly out of my mind, can someone please help with the ID of the stamps shown. Believe the 3rd one is China Republic and the 4th one is Japan, but cannot find anyplace.
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The middle stamp is China Scott # 575
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Last one is a China revenue.
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first two are likely Korean, as they use those fish and that configuration.
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Coming in late here, live from the West Coast ...
The 4th stamp from the left (orange), I'm about 99% certain, is a Japanese revenue. The resolution isn't sharp enough for me to read the writing at the top or the bottom, but, in the middle, the two larger characters are legible. The character on the right is definitely "yen", and that currency designation was only used in Japan. (It can also mean a circle or round in Chinese.)
About the first two stamps, amsd/David makes an extremely reasonable conjecture, because of the yin and yang symbol, which appears on a lot of Korean stamps. However, in this particular case, those are the only two postal savings stamps ever issued by Manchukuo, in 1941. Because they're not for postage, Scott doesn't list them, but the Japanese Sakura catalog does, and numbers them S1 & S2.
Hope that might be a little bit of help!
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First, thank everyone for your resposes.
Guess I did go out of my mind. I do not recall how many times I searched the catalogues, picture by picture and still missed the China Scott #575. Thanks for pointing that out to this feeble brain.
I am posting, hopefully better scans of the last 2 stamps for further review. Believe Philatarium is correct that the stamp is Japanese because of the first symbol in the writing at the top. Just my guess. The last stamp had me stumped becaue of the word "cents" at the bottom. Not sure which Asian country used that verbage. Went back and checked some of the early Chinese revenues as musicman indicated and sure enough found the word Cent on some of the stamps. Who knew?
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Thanks very much, Mel, for rescanning and posting those two!
As you indicated, we can now tell definitively that the left stamp is from Japan. And it is a revenue stamp with the value of 1 yen, using an old character for 1.
And as Randy correctly stated, the one on the right is from China. In the lettering on the top row, the far right character indicates China. Also, on the bottom, the character in the circle to the left of "2 cents" is the character used for cents at that time, and the character in the circle to the right is an old character for 2.
For what it's worth, the Japanese stamp reads from left to right, and the Chinese stamp reads from right to left.
I can't speak for changes to the Chinese writing system to post here, but Japan has simplified its kanji (characters) several times. The characters that give us stamp people a real challenge are the numbers.
I found a chart online (thanks, Wikipedia!) that shows some of the reforms in numerals:
https://linguaholic.com/linguablog/wp-co ...
It's from this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_n ...
Scroll down to the section on formal numbers.
- - - -
Edit:
That chart from Wikipedia was in an unusual format. I've now been able to convert it to a .jpg and upload here:
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Mel,
See the top of page 10A in this document for your 2-cent yellow China revenue stamp. I think it is part of this set from the year 1944:
https://www.chinastampsociety.org/files/ ...
From this document, I refer to this snippet:
Hope this helps,
Linus
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Also, details about the first and second stamps can be found here:
http://www.manchukuostamps.com/savings.h ...
Linus
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WOW,WOW WOW!!!!
Tons of great information to add to my reference file. Many thanks to all, I appreciate the responses and the very usuful information provided.
Mel
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Dave/philatarium,
Awesome find on that chart - will be very useful!
Thanks for posting it!
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Randy:
Thanks very much for that last post!
For years, I've been thinking of composing and gathering together some short and medium-length notes that might hopefully be helpful tips about collecting Japan, so thanks for that shot in the arm!
-- Dave
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Dave,
The image of the chart is slightly blurry, but I nonetheless have printed it, laminated it and tucked it away in my Identification Info binder for future reference!
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I noticed that, too, Randy. When I have a chance to sit down and get some quiet time, I'll see if that was an artifact of the image conversion I did.
I may also just recreate the chart, perhaps making it a little easier to read. I know I have the language tools for the modern characters, and will see if I can also get the older ones, too.
If I repair or recreate it, I'll post it in this thread.
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