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Fake engraved stamps? That's a new one to me.
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This sort of fits here. A few years ago, since I figured no collection should be complete without a Penny Black, and even though I am not a collector of GB stamps, I bought one from my local dealer. Lately I have been trying to figure out which plate it is. I have been told it depends on the placement of the corner letters. If I get a friend to do a close up scan for me is there anyone on this site who can tell me the plate number? I don't have a clue what to look for and, you never know, it could be a plate 11!!! Wouldn't that be great? I'll post a scan here within a day or two and see if I can get an opinion from you experts out there! If no one can help, well that's OK. I'll be no better off than I am now! Keep tuned for the picture!
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Do a close-cropped scan at 800dpi and I will be able to get help for you
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They look off. Maybe they are postal forgeries.
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11:30:20am
I'll post a good close up either tomorrow or Wednesday. I was on my way to visit one of my "scanner/photo" friends this morning but a bit of freezing rain made me turn around and come home. I saw one SUV in the median and another large "half ton" had crumpled a large area of guard rail. People just haven't figured out that they have to drive to conditions. I made an appointment this morning to have new summer tires installed in early May. You have to book early because it gets nuts later. The mechanic informed me he's already changing tires over for a few who think Winter is over - NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Sorry, way off topic!
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11:03:04am
Here's a scan of my Penny Black. Can anyone tell me what plate it may be!
If you can ID it could you explain how you did it and what you looked for?
I think it's a fairly nice copy even though the margin's not great in the lower right.
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I'm on the case! I think it's Plate 5, but have asked for confirmation.
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01:34:35pm
I found this quote online: It was on a site called
"peacearchstampclub.com"
"But to be honest it is impossible for all but the true black specialist to plate a stamp by eye, if you handle them in quantity which is a dream of course we would all like to realise, then with careful study you can plate more or less without turning to the reference works on the subject. If however you have just a few blacks then you will need to get a book and use it with this short guide.
Gibbons specialist red book vol 1 is a good aid, although not outstanding.
'The Postage Stamps of Great Britain Vol 1' by Seymore is better and if you have both books it is easier. Ormond plating cards in folder give a good break down with most flaws listed, but by far the best book is 'Guide lines to the Penny Black' by Litchfield, with almost 100% success every time."
I sort of like the statement about "handle them in quantity"!! I wonder how many people fall into that category!!! I only plan to have the one penny black so a book seems a bit over the top. It sure would be nice to be rich enough to try to get one from each plate ( 12 since there seems to be two varieties of plate 1). It sounds like it would be fun though!!!!
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I can confirm it's Plate 5. Here's your stamp, compared to a known plate 5 with the same letters of G-H. The letters are the easiest way to plate them. There's a full database of images here https://www.stampsoftheworld.co.uk/wiki/ ...
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07:39:38am
Thanks Dave, your effort is appreciated!!
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11:12:17am
Thanks again Dave. That web site is amazing!! I wouldn't want to even guess how long it took to put it together. I don't plan to collect Penny Black's, way too expensive, but just in case I ever end up with another one that web site is crucial. Definitely deserving of being bookmarked.
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07:42:24pm
This was one of two sheets at auction some six years ago. They were listed as a fake. The photo is poor quality. My scanner is an antique, but the engraving is as sharp and nice as as my original. These are on card stock, mounted on graph paper. The handwriting is in French and appears 19th Century script. So, what is this?
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Fake engraved stamps? That's a new one to me.
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10 Mar 2024
09:51:22pm
re: Penny Black Mystery
This sort of fits here. A few years ago, since I figured no collection should be complete without a Penny Black, and even though I am not a collector of GB stamps, I bought one from my local dealer. Lately I have been trying to figure out which plate it is. I have been told it depends on the placement of the corner letters. If I get a friend to do a close up scan for me is there anyone on this site who can tell me the plate number? I don't have a clue what to look for and, you never know, it could be a plate 11!!! Wouldn't that be great? I'll post a scan here within a day or two and see if I can get an opinion from you experts out there! If no one can help, well that's OK. I'll be no better off than I am now! Keep tuned for the picture!
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Do a close-cropped scan at 800dpi and I will be able to get help for you
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They look off. Maybe they are postal forgeries.
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11 Mar 2024
11:30:20am
re: Penny Black Mystery
I'll post a good close up either tomorrow or Wednesday. I was on my way to visit one of my "scanner/photo" friends this morning but a bit of freezing rain made me turn around and come home. I saw one SUV in the median and another large "half ton" had crumpled a large area of guard rail. People just haven't figured out that they have to drive to conditions. I made an appointment this morning to have new summer tires installed in early May. You have to book early because it gets nuts later. The mechanic informed me he's already changing tires over for a few who think Winter is over - NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Sorry, way off topic!
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12 Mar 2024
11:03:04am
re: Penny Black Mystery
Here's a scan of my Penny Black. Can anyone tell me what plate it may be!
If you can ID it could you explain how you did it and what you looked for?
I think it's a fairly nice copy even though the margin's not great in the lower right.
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I'm on the case! I think it's Plate 5, but have asked for confirmation.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
12 Mar 2024
01:34:35pm
re: Penny Black Mystery
I found this quote online: It was on a site called
"peacearchstampclub.com"
"But to be honest it is impossible for all but the true black specialist to plate a stamp by eye, if you handle them in quantity which is a dream of course we would all like to realise, then with careful study you can plate more or less without turning to the reference works on the subject. If however you have just a few blacks then you will need to get a book and use it with this short guide.
Gibbons specialist red book vol 1 is a good aid, although not outstanding.
'The Postage Stamps of Great Britain Vol 1' by Seymore is better and if you have both books it is easier. Ormond plating cards in folder give a good break down with most flaws listed, but by far the best book is 'Guide lines to the Penny Black' by Litchfield, with almost 100% success every time."
I sort of like the statement about "handle them in quantity"!! I wonder how many people fall into that category!!! I only plan to have the one penny black so a book seems a bit over the top. It sure would be nice to be rich enough to try to get one from each plate ( 12 since there seems to be two varieties of plate 1). It sounds like it would be fun though!!!!
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re: Penny Black Mystery
I can confirm it's Plate 5. Here's your stamp, compared to a known plate 5 with the same letters of G-H. The letters are the easiest way to plate them. There's a full database of images here https://www.stampsoftheworld.co.uk/wiki/ ...
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13 Mar 2024
07:39:38am
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Thanks Dave, your effort is appreciated!!
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13 Mar 2024
11:12:17am
re: Penny Black Mystery
Thanks again Dave. That web site is amazing!! I wouldn't want to even guess how long it took to put it together. I don't plan to collect Penny Black's, way too expensive, but just in case I ever end up with another one that web site is crucial. Definitely deserving of being bookmarked.
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