Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
10:14:00am
Now the comment. Camuca has just put up a really good book with excellent early Russia at about 10% CV. Have a look, it's really hard to find stuff. I managed to fill three gaps on page #1 of my Minkus album and one on page two. It's fantastic that some people are offering classic material here and we should show them we are not afraid to spend a buck or two! It's great that some sellers are giving us a shot before they try elsewhere!! IMHO!!
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I have an interesting reply from my friend, explaining Russia 39y sample, if I'm correct, You are talking about:
"...According to the Lobachevskii handbook, this is one of the well-known Fournier fake cancels, which means that the underlying stamp is almost certainly fake, but that can't be ascertained from your scan. The easiest way to tell at least some fakes is the irregular shape of the left serif of the "T" of "POCHTOVAYA" at left. Check also the perforation -- counting perfs, it seems to have one extra perf vertically at right. Also look at the paper -- does it really have the correct laid lines and watermark? Sometimes you see western letters in the watermark, or watermark letters added with a grease pen (they disappear in watermark fluid, rather than appear). Sometimes the forgeries are made on margins of the real sheet, so have the correct watermark and laid lines, but not always.
Sometimes the number of lines across is wrong, because the distance between lines is too small..."
....I'm sorry, but have no sample of this item (even as fake/forgery, it was quickly sold in first offer), interesting that Zagorsky catalog didn't mention that exist fake/forgery of this issue. They just list this watermark, which is very-very important because price are in question! HUGE difference in prices between 39a and 39b.
Actually, I was in possession of one sample, canceled condition, with cancel applied perfectly on this mentioned "T" letter, so I ask my friend about his opinion (from "Rossica" member).
Hope, this can help little bit!
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Harvey - I'm baffled. Who's Camuca? Where's the book with early Russia? I can't see any sign of him/her in the approvals books on SOR. Or has the book sold out completely and been removed?
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Camuca is one of our sellers (Murilo Carli) and the original post is over 2 months old and, I assume, the book has been long since removed and/or sold out. He had some amazing old Russian material. I picked up 3 stamps for the first page of my Minkus Russia album, one for the second page and a few BOB. It really was an incredible book!! Page #1 of my album is now only missing three stamps #'s 1, 3 and 4.
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03 Nov 2023
10:14:00am
First the question. I was checking out Russia #'s 39 and 40 in Scott's and noticed a comment on possible fakes! I haven't had time to do a full online search yet but does any one out there know what the fakes look like? They are fairly expensive, CV's of $700 and $750 used. I have one of them and didn't notice the Scott's comment. It would be nice to know the difference! Of course, if it's anything like early Poland there's probably no way to tell. I sometimes see the comment "dangerous fakes exist" with no explanation at all! Very helpful!!
Now the comment. Camuca has just put up a really good book with excellent early Russia at about 10% CV. Have a look, it's really hard to find stuff. I managed to fill three gaps on page #1 of my Minkus album and one on page two. It's fantastic that some people are offering classic material here and we should show them we are not afraid to spend a buck or two! It's great that some sellers are giving us a shot before they try elsewhere!! IMHO!!
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I have an interesting reply from my friend, explaining Russia 39y sample, if I'm correct, You are talking about:
"...According to the Lobachevskii handbook, this is one of the well-known Fournier fake cancels, which means that the underlying stamp is almost certainly fake, but that can't be ascertained from your scan. The easiest way to tell at least some fakes is the irregular shape of the left serif of the "T" of "POCHTOVAYA" at left. Check also the perforation -- counting perfs, it seems to have one extra perf vertically at right. Also look at the paper -- does it really have the correct laid lines and watermark? Sometimes you see western letters in the watermark, or watermark letters added with a grease pen (they disappear in watermark fluid, rather than appear). Sometimes the forgeries are made on margins of the real sheet, so have the correct watermark and laid lines, but not always.
Sometimes the number of lines across is wrong, because the distance between lines is too small..."
....I'm sorry, but have no sample of this item (even as fake/forgery, it was quickly sold in first offer), interesting that Zagorsky catalog didn't mention that exist fake/forgery of this issue. They just list this watermark, which is very-very important because price are in question! HUGE difference in prices between 39a and 39b.
Actually, I was in possession of one sample, canceled condition, with cancel applied perfectly on this mentioned "T" letter, so I ask my friend about his opinion (from "Rossica" member).
Hope, this can help little bit!
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re: A comment and a question on Russia!
Harvey - I'm baffled. Who's Camuca? Where's the book with early Russia? I can't see any sign of him/her in the approvals books on SOR. Or has the book sold out completely and been removed?
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02 Feb 2024
06:45:41pm
re: A comment and a question on Russia!
Camuca is one of our sellers (Murilo Carli) and the original post is over 2 months old and, I assume, the book has been long since removed and/or sold out. He had some amazing old Russian material. I picked up 3 stamps for the first page of my Minkus Russia album, one for the second page and a few BOB. It really was an incredible book!! Page #1 of my album is now only missing three stamps #'s 1, 3 and 4.
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