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General Philatelic/Identify This? : US Transportation Precancel question

 

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
12:34:58pm

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This is my Steiner Page for US Transportaion precancels

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It shows additional spaces for the following :

the 11 cent

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the 12 cent

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and the 17 cent

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I am curious what the differences are for the missing varieties? Is is a differnt font, the size of the letters or ? I'm not even sure the varieties I have for the other values are correct.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Bob



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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!

26 Oct 2023
01:05:18pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

Bob, I'll check through my bunch this evening to see if I can help with any of those gaps. The precancel lot I bought had many from this series!!!
I'll have to check my Scott's specialized to see exactly what they are first!
EDIT: From a quick look at Scott's specialized the ones I looked up seem to be versions that are untagged. I haven't used my black light for so long that I'm not even sure where it is! If I can find it(!!) I'll see if I can help! Sorry!!
Edit#2: I do have a few nice copies of the 17.5 cent Racing Car 1911 and will put one aside for you. Unfortunately I have only one of the 24.1 cent Tandem Bicycle. If you are interested in the 25 cent Bread Wagon, the 32 Cent Ferryboat or the $1 Seaplane I can provide the bread wagon but am missing the ferry boat and only have one Sea Plane.

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26 Oct 2023
01:50:15pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

According to Scott,
11c. 1905a is untagged. There is a note, "untagged stamps from Plate 1 come only from Bureau pre cancelled with lines. Untagged stamps from Plate 2 come both with and without Bureau lines."
12c. 2132b is untagged Type 11 Bureau pre cancelled. Type 11 has the words Stanley Steamer 1909 0.5mm shorter than 2132.
17c. 1906 Untagged Bureau pre cancel.
Hope this helps.

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
02:08:06pm

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re: US Transportation Precancel question

TAGGING!!!! ARRRGGGG!

Thanks very much for your help!

I think I may use albumeasy and drop the tagged varieties !

Bob

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26 Oct 2023
02:13:37pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

"I think I may use albumeasy and drop the tagged varieties !"


I know some people out there might think we are wimps, but that's exactly what I would do. My wife and I used to do tagging varieties with Canada years ago and I never did enjoy it!! It's not hard, I just hate it!! At my stage in "life" if I run into something I don't like doing, if possible I just don't do it!
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26 Oct 2023
02:18:38pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

the 17c has 3 different fonts for the overprint. All 3 are untagged.
the 11c exists w/o the bureau double lines and is still considered a precancel.
the 12c comes in 2 diff sizes of the basic stamp. About a 1/3 mm difference between 2132 and 2132b.

Tad

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
03:24:04pm

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Ok those are at least reasonable to find with these old eyes!!! thanks very much !

Bob

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26 Oct 2023
03:33:30pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

Looked at some of mine, found these 3 untagged. There is also quite a difference in height of font between first and rest.
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Not sure if this is the difference or not.

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
03:46:03pm

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That looks like what I need to fill the page!!! - I can keep a lookout now

thanks
Bob

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26 Oct 2023
04:58:20pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

This is just a fun collection for me, I'm not even going to worry about Scott numbers and I'm definitely staying away from tagging. All I need to finish the collection, at least for now, is a copy of the Ferryboat and the Lunch Wagon. I'm curious why my specialized catalog gives prices for so many different length strips, seems a bit odd and they also specify which line it's from! If I get more into the series a bit of research is definitely needed!!

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HolocaustStamps

26 Oct 2023
06:25:31pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

Are stamps with the imprints rather than an actual horizontal-line cancel (eg the O5 and 7.1) considered pre-cancels by everyone (or most) who collect that area?

Or is that a personal preference/variation?

Thanks, Dave

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26 Oct 2023
06:49:49pm
re: US Transportation Precancel question

"Are stamps with the imprints rather than an actual horizontal-line cancel (eg the O5 and 7.1) considered pre-cancels by everyone (or most) who collect that area?"


I'm not the expert in this area but I believe they are considered to be precancels. I'm sure I will be corrected if this is not correct, and I should be!!
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27 Oct 2023
05:06:25am
re: US Transportation Precancel question

Dave,
The PSS recently had a huge debate over this and they were ultimately removed from the bureau precancel catalog and moved to a new one. They are now known as National and Service Inscribed precancels to distinguish them from the city/state type precancels prepared at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Part of the reason for this was that they are not printed at the BEP anymore, but prepared by various contractor printers, often with minute differences. At any rate, yes, they are considered precancels but they are treated separately from the traditional precancels with printed lines and city/state inscriptions.

-Allen

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
12:34:58pm

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This is my Steiner Page for US Transportaion precancels

Image Not Found

It shows additional spaces for the following :

the 11 cent

Image Not Found

the 12 cent

Image Not Found

and the 17 cent

Image Not Found

I am curious what the differences are for the missing varieties? Is is a differnt font, the size of the letters or ? I'm not even sure the varieties I have for the other values are correct.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Bob



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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
26 Oct 2023
01:05:18pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

Bob, I'll check through my bunch this evening to see if I can help with any of those gaps. The precancel lot I bought had many from this series!!!
I'll have to check my Scott's specialized to see exactly what they are first!
EDIT: From a quick look at Scott's specialized the ones I looked up seem to be versions that are untagged. I haven't used my black light for so long that I'm not even sure where it is! If I can find it(!!) I'll see if I can help! Sorry!!
Edit#2: I do have a few nice copies of the 17.5 cent Racing Car 1911 and will put one aside for you. Unfortunately I have only one of the 24.1 cent Tandem Bicycle. If you are interested in the 25 cent Bread Wagon, the 32 Cent Ferryboat or the $1 Seaplane I can provide the bread wagon but am missing the ferry boat and only have one Sea Plane.

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sheepshanks

26 Oct 2023
01:50:15pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

According to Scott,
11c. 1905a is untagged. There is a note, "untagged stamps from Plate 1 come only from Bureau pre cancelled with lines. Untagged stamps from Plate 2 come both with and without Bureau lines."
12c. 2132b is untagged Type 11 Bureau pre cancelled. Type 11 has the words Stanley Steamer 1909 0.5mm shorter than 2132.
17c. 1906 Untagged Bureau pre cancel.
Hope this helps.

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
02:08:06pm

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re: US Transportation Precancel question

TAGGING!!!! ARRRGGGG!

Thanks very much for your help!

I think I may use albumeasy and drop the tagged varieties !

Bob

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26 Oct 2023
02:13:37pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

"I think I may use albumeasy and drop the tagged varieties !"


I know some people out there might think we are wimps, but that's exactly what I would do. My wife and I used to do tagging varieties with Canada years ago and I never did enjoy it!! It's not hard, I just hate it!! At my stage in "life" if I run into something I don't like doing, if possible I just don't do it!
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copy55555

26 Oct 2023
02:18:38pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

the 17c has 3 different fonts for the overprint. All 3 are untagged.
the 11c exists w/o the bureau double lines and is still considered a precancel.
the 12c comes in 2 diff sizes of the basic stamp. About a 1/3 mm difference between 2132 and 2132b.

Tad

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
03:24:04pm

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re: US Transportation Precancel question

Ok those are at least reasonable to find with these old eyes!!! thanks very much !

Bob

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sheepshanks

26 Oct 2023
03:33:30pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

Looked at some of mine, found these 3 untagged. There is also quite a difference in height of font between first and rest.
Image Not Found
Not sure if this is the difference or not.

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dell4c

26 Oct 2023
03:46:03pm

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re: US Transportation Precancel question

That looks like what I need to fill the page!!! - I can keep a lookout now

thanks
Bob

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
26 Oct 2023
04:58:20pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

This is just a fun collection for me, I'm not even going to worry about Scott numbers and I'm definitely staying away from tagging. All I need to finish the collection, at least for now, is a copy of the Ferryboat and the Lunch Wagon. I'm curious why my specialized catalog gives prices for so many different length strips, seems a bit odd and they also specify which line it's from! If I get more into the series a bit of research is definitely needed!!

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HolocaustStamps

26 Oct 2023
06:25:31pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

Are stamps with the imprints rather than an actual horizontal-line cancel (eg the O5 and 7.1) considered pre-cancels by everyone (or most) who collect that area?

Or is that a personal preference/variation?

Thanks, Dave

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
26 Oct 2023
06:49:49pm

re: US Transportation Precancel question

"Are stamps with the imprints rather than an actual horizontal-line cancel (eg the O5 and 7.1) considered pre-cancels by everyone (or most) who collect that area?"


I'm not the expert in this area but I believe they are considered to be precancels. I'm sure I will be corrected if this is not correct, and I should be!!
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"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. George Carlin"
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Philately starts where the catalogue ends. - ANONYMOUS
27 Oct 2023
05:06:25am

re: US Transportation Precancel question

Dave,
The PSS recently had a huge debate over this and they were ultimately removed from the bureau precancel catalog and moved to a new one. They are now known as National and Service Inscribed precancels to distinguish them from the city/state type precancels prepared at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Part of the reason for this was that they are not printed at the BEP anymore, but prepared by various contractor printers, often with minute differences. At any rate, yes, they are considered precancels but they are treated separately from the traditional precancels with printed lines and city/state inscriptions.

-Allen

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