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Again, thanks. And now about my glasses. Yes, I need new glasses. It is Saturday now. Monday I will try to make an appointment to see my optometrist!
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There appear to be 3 varieties of each of these three stamps:
1) Perforated: 71-72
2) Perforated, but with vertical lozenges of varnish on the face: 108-109
3) Imperforate: 133 & 135.
I'm not familiar enough with this series to know how easy it is to view the varnish, if it's like Austrian stamps, or more subtle. I don't see varnish scans on your stamps, though that doesn't mean they aren't there!
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Honestly, I have hard time to see the lozenges of varnish on all of these types of stamps. How should I do it?
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10:10:59pm
I have all the versions, supposedly, and you had me worried!! Looking at 108 and 109 flat on the page I saw nothing but if you pick one up and twist it in the light a bit there are thin varnish lozenges visible - they sort of glitter or shine! My two stamps are mint so I'm assuming the lozenges would still be there if someone soaked them. I hope so!! There are also color and perforation variations giving a's, b's or c's if you want to go that far! I think if you can't find the lozenges than you don't have 108 and 109, they really are visible! GOOD LUCK! By the way a scan would not help!
EDIT: By the way, I really like the selvage on the first stamp. Does anyone know it's significance?
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Two more important details. 71-72 are on vertical laid paper and have supposed to have watermark 168. I see no sections of watermark and no vertical laid paper.
But I do not see lozenges. For me these are hard to see.
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Hi @virgilp
You can find how to see/photograph these varnish bars in:
https://www.austrianphilately.com/vbars/ ...
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Hi @virgilp
I use the Michel catalog.
If it is normal paper and without a watermark, your stamps are Mi 79 and 81.
However, try (after changing your glasses - I have the same problem) to see if there are "varnish bars" or not.
This series must have "varnish bar" - vertical or horizontal.
If they are not varnish bars (rautenformigem Kreideaufdrucke-the name in German) you are in happy and valuable possession of some varieties mentioned in Michel:
All you have to check: the perforation should be L13 1/4.
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Varnish lozenges are hard to see; I found a copy on the net and drew it for you so you know what to look for:
Try on the white edge of the stamps.
Valoric would be better not to find.
The first stamp has a light green olive color indicated on the selvedge, but I can't see it in the background of the stamp.
You can see this color at the bottom of the second stamp (back ground moved a little down)
Interesting stamps/or not...I would like to have them in front of my eyes.
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Thanks, gerom, but sending stamps to Romania would be difficult.
I will continue with more details. All stamps seem to have 13 ¼ perf. The 5 Rub without label are hard to read, but it is very closed with 13 ¼. With a Signoscope (not great tool!, but sometimes helpful) all stamps have a grid of XX’s. All stamps have gum. From Scott ONLY 108-109 stamps should have lozenges, but, with all my efforts, they are not here.
Checking Colnect they show the XX’s grid and perf 13 ¼ for Scott 108-109. I think that after so much effort, the stamps I have are Scott 108 and 109.
Conclusion: I think that the best way to separate Scott 71-72 from 108-109 is looking for the paper and then for variants. 71-72 MUST have vertically laid paper, then anything else is 108-109.
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02:50:16pm
For me it is hard to find the correct Scott number. I scanned 3 stamps I have. I guess that the two 5 Rub. are 108 and 10 Rub. is 109.
Am I right?
Again, thanks. And now about my glasses. Yes, I need new glasses. It is Saturday now. Monday I will try to make an appointment to see my optometrist!
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re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
There appear to be 3 varieties of each of these three stamps:
1) Perforated: 71-72
2) Perforated, but with vertical lozenges of varnish on the face: 108-109
3) Imperforate: 133 & 135.
I'm not familiar enough with this series to know how easy it is to view the varnish, if it's like Austrian stamps, or more subtle. I don't see varnish scans on your stamps, though that doesn't mean they aren't there!
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09:36:32pm
re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
Honestly, I have hard time to see the lozenges of varnish on all of these types of stamps. How should I do it?
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07 Oct 2023
10:10:59pm
re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
I have all the versions, supposedly, and you had me worried!! Looking at 108 and 109 flat on the page I saw nothing but if you pick one up and twist it in the light a bit there are thin varnish lozenges visible - they sort of glitter or shine! My two stamps are mint so I'm assuming the lozenges would still be there if someone soaked them. I hope so!! There are also color and perforation variations giving a's, b's or c's if you want to go that far! I think if you can't find the lozenges than you don't have 108 and 109, they really are visible! GOOD LUCK! By the way a scan would not help!
EDIT: By the way, I really like the selvage on the first stamp. Does anyone know it's significance?
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10:53:26pm
re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
Two more important details. 71-72 are on vertical laid paper and have supposed to have watermark 168. I see no sections of watermark and no vertical laid paper.
But I do not see lozenges. For me these are hard to see.
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05:44:46am
re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
Hi @virgilp
You can find how to see/photograph these varnish bars in:
https://www.austrianphilately.com/vbars/ ...
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(Modified by Moderator on 2023-10-08 06:09:10)
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07:11:47am
re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
Hi @virgilp
I use the Michel catalog.
If it is normal paper and without a watermark, your stamps are Mi 79 and 81.
However, try (after changing your glasses - I have the same problem) to see if there are "varnish bars" or not.
This series must have "varnish bar" - vertical or horizontal.
If they are not varnish bars (rautenformigem Kreideaufdrucke-the name in German) you are in happy and valuable possession of some varieties mentioned in Michel:
All you have to check: the perforation should be L13 1/4.
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09:30:10am
re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
Varnish lozenges are hard to see; I found a copy on the net and drew it for you so you know what to look for:
Try on the white edge of the stamps.
Valoric would be better not to find.
The first stamp has a light green olive color indicated on the selvedge, but I can't see it in the background of the stamp.
You can see this color at the bottom of the second stamp (back ground moved a little down)
Interesting stamps/or not...I would like to have them in front of my eyes.
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12:12:27pm
re: About Russia 71-72 and 108-109
Thanks, gerom, but sending stamps to Romania would be difficult.
I will continue with more details. All stamps seem to have 13 ¼ perf. The 5 Rub without label are hard to read, but it is very closed with 13 ¼. With a Signoscope (not great tool!, but sometimes helpful) all stamps have a grid of XX’s. All stamps have gum. From Scott ONLY 108-109 stamps should have lozenges, but, with all my efforts, they are not here.
Checking Colnect they show the XX’s grid and perf 13 ¼ for Scott 108-109. I think that after so much effort, the stamps I have are Scott 108 and 109.
Conclusion: I think that the best way to separate Scott 71-72 from 108-109 is looking for the paper and then for variants. 71-72 MUST have vertically laid paper, then anything else is 108-109.
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