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Won a very nice collection of Canada Provinces. I've attached a couple pics of of three items I'm at a loss to determine whether they are real or not. All three are on paper stiffer than a normal stampThe one shilling item is likely a fake. My question is whether there is any value to it.
The other two look genuine, but the paper has me puzzled.
Any experts out there who can help me out here.
I should mention, this collection was from Eastern Auctions....a really fine bunch of unused stamps from all provinces. And np buyers fee.
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06:10:48pm
In my opinion the shilling is a fake since all originals, according to Unitrade, came on bluish tinted paper. There was a series of reprints done on thin hard white paper. The reprints were the 1p, 3p, 6p and 1/- with a set price of $500. So your stamp, if a member of this set of reprints, is worth at least $100.
The other two could be proofs but I think they should have a "specimen" overprint - see Unitrade. They sometimes have the overprint almost faded away so can you look very carefully for any trace? The 10 cent could be either black or orange. What really bothers me is the lack of the overprint and the fact that the Unitrade seems to show a couple without it - very odd!! The regular stamps were done by the American Bank Note Company in New York but no mention is made of there being imperforates and it doesn't specify who printed the proofs. But it probably is the same company! All they say about the paper the proofs are done on is that it's India paper and since I don't collect proofs you'll have to research that! Also the regular stamps are on yellowish or white paper. If memory serves me right India paper is thin and transparent. I hope this has helped a bit, good luck!!!!
EDIT: You quite often see the early NS series being sold on non-bluish paper. A couple years ago I went to a regular antique auction where there was a supposedly very valuable early Canada stamp collection. All of the early NS stamp series were on white paper. I told the auctioneer the problem. Even though I had been going to his auctions for many years he just said "buyer beware" and left it at that. He knew nothing about stamps and refused to have them checked out and put in a later auction. The collection didn't bring a lot but I had no interest after that. Also note that if you look on E-Bay the stamps are quite often on the wrong paper!
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Caveat: I am not an expert on these matters! Reviewing Unitrade, it would appear you have Nova Scotia proof items 12P and 13P--which do not have any "SPECIMEN" overprint. However, they are listed as printed on India paper, which should not appear stiffer than normal stamp printings (however, some proofs I have seen--not of these issues--were subsequently mounted on card stock). The large bottom margins would imply being from the bottom row of the printed pane, as the inscription on 12P also would suggest. Unitrade listings will give you an opinion about the value of the items. And regarding the 1 shilling piece, while I have never seen a genuine one, your scan gives the impression of a low grade of printing of the details (they look fuzzy rather than crisp) so I would agree with the hunch that it is a counterfeit.
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I was hoping Tom would help. He's right about 12P and 13P. My Unitrade shows a picture of 12P but not 13P but it makes sense if one doesn't have the inscription the other wouldn't either. The 2023 Unitrade values them at $60 each. I should also add that I have some of the early BC and NS series and the bluish paper is pretty obvious.
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Any information known of total number produced?
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For the early provincial material numbers do not seem to exist.
EDIT: We've been here before with early BC stamps. If the numbers were available Unitrade would give them as they do for most stamps.
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The Unitrade Cat. is there a starting date in the cat. when these numbers became available?
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From about #42 in the 1888 to 1897 Canada series they give estimated totals for a little while and then from #50, the Diamond Jubilee series in 1897, they give totals for almost every stamp issued. There is occasionally one they don't give, especially for some of the definatives that were out for a long period of time. Nothing is given for the provincial stamps except for a few of the Newfoundland stamps. I am guessing that if the numbers were known they would be given, but of course I don't know that for sure!
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Thank you, the two stamps 10 cents & 12 1/2 cents I find very attractive, but too bad there is not population number known!
EDIT: I do not recall ever discussing these two stamps before with you or anyone else, you might be thinking of someone else!
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1898....no comprende. I never discussing this with you directly. ??
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"I do not recall ever discussing these two stamps before with you or anyone else, you might be thinking of someone else!"
It was the early BC (British Columbia) stamps we were discussing in an earlier series of posts.
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OK, not Nova Scotia stamps!
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Won a very nice collection of Canada Provinces. I've attached a couple pics of of three items I'm at a loss to determine whether they are real or not. All three are on paper stiffer than a normal stamp
The one shilling item is likely a fake. My question is whether there is any value to it.
The other two look genuine, but the paper has me puzzled.
Any experts out there who can help me out here.
I should mention, this collection was from Eastern Auctions....a really fine bunch of unused stamps from all provinces. And np buyers fee.
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22 Aug 2023
06:10:48pm
re: Need help with a few Nova Scotia items
In my opinion the shilling is a fake since all originals, according to Unitrade, came on bluish tinted paper. There was a series of reprints done on thin hard white paper. The reprints were the 1p, 3p, 6p and 1/- with a set price of $500. So your stamp, if a member of this set of reprints, is worth at least $100.
The other two could be proofs but I think they should have a "specimen" overprint - see Unitrade. They sometimes have the overprint almost faded away so can you look very carefully for any trace? The 10 cent could be either black or orange. What really bothers me is the lack of the overprint and the fact that the Unitrade seems to show a couple without it - very odd!! The regular stamps were done by the American Bank Note Company in New York but no mention is made of there being imperforates and it doesn't specify who printed the proofs. But it probably is the same company! All they say about the paper the proofs are done on is that it's India paper and since I don't collect proofs you'll have to research that! Also the regular stamps are on yellowish or white paper. If memory serves me right India paper is thin and transparent. I hope this has helped a bit, good luck!!!!
EDIT: You quite often see the early NS series being sold on non-bluish paper. A couple years ago I went to a regular antique auction where there was a supposedly very valuable early Canada stamp collection. All of the early NS stamp series were on white paper. I told the auctioneer the problem. Even though I had been going to his auctions for many years he just said "buyer beware" and left it at that. He knew nothing about stamps and refused to have them checked out and put in a later auction. The collection didn't bring a lot but I had no interest after that. Also note that if you look on E-Bay the stamps are quite often on the wrong paper!
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re: Need help with a few Nova Scotia items
Caveat: I am not an expert on these matters! Reviewing Unitrade, it would appear you have Nova Scotia proof items 12P and 13P--which do not have any "SPECIMEN" overprint. However, they are listed as printed on India paper, which should not appear stiffer than normal stamp printings (however, some proofs I have seen--not of these issues--were subsequently mounted on card stock). The large bottom margins would imply being from the bottom row of the printed pane, as the inscription on 12P also would suggest. Unitrade listings will give you an opinion about the value of the items. And regarding the 1 shilling piece, while I have never seen a genuine one, your scan gives the impression of a low grade of printing of the details (they look fuzzy rather than crisp) so I would agree with the hunch that it is a counterfeit.
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23 Aug 2023
07:17:29pm
re: Need help with a few Nova Scotia items
I was hoping Tom would help. He's right about 12P and 13P. My Unitrade shows a picture of 12P but not 13P but it makes sense if one doesn't have the inscription the other wouldn't either. The 2023 Unitrade values them at $60 each. I should also add that I have some of the early BC and NS series and the bluish paper is pretty obvious.
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Any information known of total number produced?
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24 Aug 2023
02:06:19pm
re: Need help with a few Nova Scotia items
For the early provincial material numbers do not seem to exist.
EDIT: We've been here before with early BC stamps. If the numbers were available Unitrade would give them as they do for most stamps.
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The Unitrade Cat. is there a starting date in the cat. when these numbers became available?
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24 Aug 2023
04:10:21pm
re: Need help with a few Nova Scotia items
From about #42 in the 1888 to 1897 Canada series they give estimated totals for a little while and then from #50, the Diamond Jubilee series in 1897, they give totals for almost every stamp issued. There is occasionally one they don't give, especially for some of the definatives that were out for a long period of time. Nothing is given for the provincial stamps except for a few of the Newfoundland stamps. I am guessing that if the numbers were known they would be given, but of course I don't know that for sure!
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Thank you, the two stamps 10 cents & 12 1/2 cents I find very attractive, but too bad there is not population number known!
EDIT: I do not recall ever discussing these two stamps before with you or anyone else, you might be thinking of someone else!
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re: Need help with a few Nova Scotia items
1898....no comprende. I never discussing this with you directly. ??
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24 Aug 2023
06:13:59pm
re: Need help with a few Nova Scotia items
"I do not recall ever discussing these two stamps before with you or anyone else, you might be thinking of someone else!"
It was the early BC (British Columbia) stamps we were discussing in an earlier series of posts.
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OK, not Nova Scotia stamps!
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