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United States/BOB & Other : Bisect

 

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1898

16 Aug 2023
08:42:19pm
@Everyone

On Ebay there is a bisect up for auction. I've never owned one and think this would be a nice piece to own.

Question is, this is a common stamp R163 (this is an insurance instrument portion of), does any SOR member what price would be for a right and proper example such as this one?

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16 Aug 2023
09:02:47pm
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Found this one online - sold in 2018;



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2c Red Battleship Documentary, Hyphen-Hole Perf (R164p)
Listed in Scott? No Priced in Scott? No
Notes: Diagonal bisect on small document piece, tied by purple D & ? Co., Freight Offices, Apr 25, 1901, Cohoes NY handstamp. Lot 1130 of Harmer-Schau Auction #117, August 10, 2018. Sold for $344 including buyer premium.

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1898

16 Aug 2023
09:13:49pm
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Sir, thank you. Well done, top drawer!

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17 Aug 2023
04:28:29am
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The hyphen hole perf variety is scarcer and makes the red bisect example much more valuable I suspect.

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17 Aug 2023
09:09:48am
re: Bisect

@Everyone

smauggie, Sir, thank you for your post, this something I had never considered before.

Getting off topic a little:

Comparing each type (rouletted vs Hyphen hole), my informal research counting the months in production for each:

Rouletted 5 1/2 (Boston book says 5 3/4) was in production 17 months

Hyphen Hole 7 was in production 30 months.

It is true that the hyphen hole type is scarcer, the months of production would indicate the opposite to be true, but it is not!

The R170P stamp is (in my opinion) is the hardest to fine. There was no Scheduled Tax Instrument requirement that I can find that required the use of an R170 either R or P version.

Try to find an example of R170P in pairs or blocks or larger very difficult to find. Finding the same format in R170R is easier.

So for me the facts that smauggie posted I now need to find on complete instrument bisects each example R and P.

If you look at days in production, the R161R was only 2 days in production, in my opinion the R170P is much harder to find!

Hope everyone doesn't mind this litter diversion from the topic.

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17 Aug 2023
09:26:19am
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It seems to me that instead of getting off topic, you got on topic. I enjoyed your post.


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17 Aug 2023
09:56:25am
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@smauggie

Sir, thank you!

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17 Aug 2023
10:10:19am
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The only trouble with bisects is that you have to make sure they are tied to either a piece or a cover by the postmark. I have a NS #3 that is a bisect tied (hopefully) to a piece by a post mark. Again I apologize for no scan at the moment, I'll try to get one for in a few days. Bisects, genuine ones, are usually very expensive but anyone can chop a stamp in two. It can be either diagonally or straight up and down. The post mark should be both on the stamp and piece/cover and be continuous. And you stall have to be really careful since even that can be faked. A certificate is great, I don't have one for mine, only a note from a reputable dealer. It looks good but who really knows!! The one in Musicman's post looks fantastic and he has a really solid provenance so it is safe. But you cannot buy a bisect without it being tied to something by a postmark!! All you would end up with then is half a stamp!!!

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1898

17 Aug 2023
10:50:06am
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@smauggie

I like learning something new (to me) everyday, Sir you've made my day! Lots of thinking to do.

I need to get reliable background information on bisects, again thank you!

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17 Aug 2023
11:42:22am
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We share that in common. We both like to learn. Hopefully we will never tire of learning from each other.

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1898

16 Aug 2023
08:42:19pm

@Everyone

On Ebay there is a bisect up for auction. I've never owned one and think this would be a nice piece to own.

Question is, this is a common stamp R163 (this is an insurance instrument portion of), does any SOR member what price would be for a right and proper example such as this one?

1898

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16 Aug 2023
09:02:47pm

re: Bisect

Found this one online - sold in 2018;



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2c Red Battleship Documentary, Hyphen-Hole Perf (R164p)
Listed in Scott? No Priced in Scott? No
Notes: Diagonal bisect on small document piece, tied by purple D & ? Co., Freight Offices, Apr 25, 1901, Cohoes NY handstamp. Lot 1130 of Harmer-Schau Auction #117, August 10, 2018. Sold for $344 including buyer premium.

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1898

16 Aug 2023
09:13:49pm

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@musicman

Sir, thank you. Well done, top drawer!

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17 Aug 2023
04:28:29am

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The hyphen hole perf variety is scarcer and makes the red bisect example much more valuable I suspect.

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1898

17 Aug 2023
09:09:48am

re: Bisect

@Everyone

smauggie, Sir, thank you for your post, this something I had never considered before.

Getting off topic a little:

Comparing each type (rouletted vs Hyphen hole), my informal research counting the months in production for each:

Rouletted 5 1/2 (Boston book says 5 3/4) was in production 17 months

Hyphen Hole 7 was in production 30 months.

It is true that the hyphen hole type is scarcer, the months of production would indicate the opposite to be true, but it is not!

The R170P stamp is (in my opinion) is the hardest to fine. There was no Scheduled Tax Instrument requirement that I can find that required the use of an R170 either R or P version.

Try to find an example of R170P in pairs or blocks or larger very difficult to find. Finding the same format in R170R is easier.

So for me the facts that smauggie posted I now need to find on complete instrument bisects each example R and P.

If you look at days in production, the R161R was only 2 days in production, in my opinion the R170P is much harder to find!

Hope everyone doesn't mind this litter diversion from the topic.

1898






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17 Aug 2023
09:26:19am

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@1898

It seems to me that instead of getting off topic, you got on topic. I enjoyed your post.


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1898

17 Aug 2023
09:56:25am

re: Bisect

@smauggie

Sir, thank you!

1898

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
17 Aug 2023
10:10:19am

re: Bisect

The only trouble with bisects is that you have to make sure they are tied to either a piece or a cover by the postmark. I have a NS #3 that is a bisect tied (hopefully) to a piece by a post mark. Again I apologize for no scan at the moment, I'll try to get one for in a few days. Bisects, genuine ones, are usually very expensive but anyone can chop a stamp in two. It can be either diagonally or straight up and down. The post mark should be both on the stamp and piece/cover and be continuous. And you stall have to be really careful since even that can be faked. A certificate is great, I don't have one for mine, only a note from a reputable dealer. It looks good but who really knows!! The one in Musicman's post looks fantastic and he has a really solid provenance so it is safe. But you cannot buy a bisect without it being tied to something by a postmark!! All you would end up with then is half a stamp!!!

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"You know you're getting old when you stoop to tie your shoelaces and wonder what else you could do while you're down there - George Burns"
1898

17 Aug 2023
10:50:06am

re: Bisect

@smauggie

I like learning something new (to me) everyday, Sir you've made my day! Lots of thinking to do.

I need to get reliable background information on bisects, again thank you!

1898

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17 Aug 2023
11:42:22am

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@1898

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