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16 Aug 2023
04:08:20pm
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This is the only UN precancel, I think, and it is UN #2. I'm not going to say what I paid because I think I overpaid and I don't really want people to know how stupid I was. I really like the stamp and just thought I should share. It's a little rare, I think! Edit: Obviously the 2007 is the ID # and not the date!
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I also grabbed this one because it's a bit different. Is it wheel shaped because of the Michigan connection. I've seen several of these on line and they all seem to be from Michigan.
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16 Aug 2023
04:27:14pm
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17 Aug 2023
04:52:40am
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I like the early and fancy precancels, such as this one in my collection.

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I like those wheel ones from Michigan.

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17 Aug 2023
09:55:29pm
re: picked this up a little while ago!

Picked this up a little while ago from a dealer I've bought wonderful stuff from over the years - a beautiful copy of US #10A. It'll fit nicely in the margins of page 1 of my US album with the beautiful copy of 11A I just bought from Carl a little while ago, another SOR dealer with amazing stamps!
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And, by the way, it is properly IDed (I hope!!) with orange brown and the double frame line!

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17 Aug 2023
10:13:37pm
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@Everyone

Colors are difficult on each monitor, we all know that, with that said the cancel looks like it's green to me, or is this just my wacky eyes on this 10A with double frame line?

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17 Aug 2023
10:23:08pm
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Trust me on the colour, I have both #10 and #11 so I know the colours. The red brown would be darker than this! It sure would be nice if it were a green cancel since that would add a $225 premium, but I'm not sure if I see that. But the colour IS right! I'm half tempted to remove the post, but I'll let it stand. The guy I bought it from will take returns if I did make a mistake. But I have bought from him at least 20 times with no problem!
I wasn't going to say this, but if you can't tell the colour from the monitor than why even make the comment?

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17 Aug 2023
10:27:17pm
re: picked this up a little while ago!

That is a nice example of a US Scott# 10A. The 10A is a type II die with inner and outer frame lines, which yours has as seen on this crude detail image I made.

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I think making out that manuscript cancel as green may be a bit hopeful. It is faded because it was soaked in water for a long time. I doubt Harvey could get this to come back with a certificate stating the cancel was green.


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17 Aug 2023
10:32:08pm
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Thanks Antonio! If it was a green cancel this very knowledgeable seller would have advertised it as such and I would have ended up paying much more than I did.

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17 Aug 2023
10:48:50pm
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It was a nice thought at least, hoping it was green for Harvey's benefit.

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17 Aug 2023
10:52:01pm
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@Everyone

Very nice close smauggie, makes clear to me thank you. Too bad it was soaked for so long!

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18 Aug 2023
08:09:25am
re: picked this up a little while ago!

The seller describes it as a pen cancellation, so it probably didn't need to be soaked very long for part of it to disappear. I don't think I've ever heard of a stamp being soaked for "too long" before. I really like the stamp, it has a nice crisp design and three out of four really nice margins. Considering some stamps from this period I've seen I'd rate it about 8/10. The main difference between red brown and orange brown from what I've seen is that the red brown is quite a bit darker and, obviously, one looks red and the other looks orange. Colours do funny things over time but I'm pretty sure about this one.
What I'd really like to know is how people put those little arrows on their pictures. It must be reasonably straight forward but can anyone give me an easy to follow method?

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18 Aug 2023
08:36:25am
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@Harvey

In philately, cancellations with pens are also referred to as "manuscript" cancellations. The word manuscript is derived from the latin language and just means "hand-written".

The inks used to cancel stamps can weaken or dissipate it water, which is used to soak stamps. I am not sure if it is right to say that the stamp was soaked for "too long" necessarily so much as it was soaked long enough to affect the quality of the pigments in the cancel ink. This varies by time period and country.

I will share an example with you to explain.

Take a look at this stamp image I pulled from eBay.

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This stamp was soaked. It was likely soaked in hot water, which is always a bad idea. Using soapy water is also a bad idea as the soap will degrade the stamp. As you look closely at the cancel you can see the black ink of the cancel bleeding into the surrounding area of the stamp. What can also happen, especially in hot water soaking that the oils that are in the pigment can leach out and leave a grease stain on the stamp.

As you look at more and more stamps with such a critical eye you can begin to see these tell-tale signs of possible deterioration.

That being said there is nothing truly wrong with your stamp. It is a fine example.

What I have said may not be the most popular thing to say, but that does not bother me.

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18 Aug 2023
09:37:48am
re: picked this up a little while ago!

Thanks Smauggie, great to know. It's great to have knowledgeable people out there! There's something else about these stamps I've got to look into, many of them have been recut! I assume they're talking about the dies used for printing the stamps - I need to do some research there! I was also fooling around in Paint with arrows and text. Obviously I've got more work to do, especially with the eraser feature. But I'll get there. I remember in the 1990's teaching a course in Autocad(sp) in high school. In a way Paint is quite similar, but I definitely have to work on the text and the eraser!!
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18 Aug 2023
09:56:07am
re: picked this up a little while ago!

Way to go Harvey! All it takes is a little experimentation and there is no knowing what you can get up to.

I use the free program called Paint.NET to edit my images but it doesn't much matter which program you use as long as you try.

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18 Aug 2023
10:23:16am
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@Everyone

Before stamp regular hinges, a lot of collectors would use self made glued paper hinges, these were very difficult to remove, they would be soaked way too long.

If (and only if) the cancel was originally green, faded green could be mistaken for another color, stamp dealers just like everyone else make mistakes! I mentioned green cancel hoping this collector had one.

The collector made a comment "I wasn't going to say this, but if you can't tell the colour from the monitor than why even make the comment?" was the collector talking about the stamp or cancel color? I think the stamp color is spot on, cancel color I don't know.

Many thanks for adding the arrows, but the words are too small! I use image pro 9, I can make arrows any size I need to, also add text and size it to what I need.

Keep trying, I'm sure you will get there with the arrows and text!

Good luck!

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18 Aug 2023
11:06:07am
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Yup, that was the first try and took about 10 minutes. A little fooling around and I'll get better at it. Paint is an amazing program and I'm sure there's even better ones out there!!

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
16 Aug 2023
04:08:20pm

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This is the only UN precancel, I think, and it is UN #2. I'm not going to say what I paid because I think I overpaid and I don't really want people to know how stupid I was. I really like the stamp and just thought I should share. It's a little rare, I think! Edit: Obviously the 2007 is the ID # and not the date!
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I also grabbed this one because it's a bit different. Is it wheel shaped because of the Michigan connection. I've seen several of these on line and they all seem to be from Michigan.

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16 Aug 2023
04:27:14pm

re: picked this up a little while ago!

@Everybody

It's no one's business what you pay for stamps for your collection!

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17 Aug 2023
04:52:40am

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I like the early and fancy precancels, such as this one in my collection.

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I like those wheel ones from Michigan.

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
17 Aug 2023
09:55:29pm

re: picked this up a little while ago!

Picked this up a little while ago from a dealer I've bought wonderful stuff from over the years - a beautiful copy of US #10A. It'll fit nicely in the margins of page 1 of my US album with the beautiful copy of 11A I just bought from Carl a little while ago, another SOR dealer with amazing stamps!
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And, by the way, it is properly IDed (I hope!!) with orange brown and the double frame line!

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1898

17 Aug 2023
10:13:37pm

re: picked this up a little while ago!

@Everyone

Colors are difficult on each monitor, we all know that, with that said the cancel looks like it's green to me, or is this just my wacky eyes on this 10A with double frame line?

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17 Aug 2023
10:23:08pm

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Trust me on the colour, I have both #10 and #11 so I know the colours. The red brown would be darker than this! It sure would be nice if it were a green cancel since that would add a $225 premium, but I'm not sure if I see that. But the colour IS right! I'm half tempted to remove the post, but I'll let it stand. The guy I bought it from will take returns if I did make a mistake. But I have bought from him at least 20 times with no problem!
I wasn't going to say this, but if you can't tell the colour from the monitor than why even make the comment?

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17 Aug 2023
10:27:17pm

re: picked this up a little while ago!

That is a nice example of a US Scott# 10A. The 10A is a type II die with inner and outer frame lines, which yours has as seen on this crude detail image I made.

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I think making out that manuscript cancel as green may be a bit hopeful. It is faded because it was soaked in water for a long time. I doubt Harvey could get this to come back with a certificate stating the cancel was green.


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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
17 Aug 2023
10:32:08pm

re: picked this up a little while ago!

Thanks Antonio! If it was a green cancel this very knowledgeable seller would have advertised it as such and I would have ended up paying much more than I did.

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17 Aug 2023
10:48:50pm

re: picked this up a little while ago!

It was a nice thought at least, hoping it was green for Harvey's benefit.

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17 Aug 2023
10:52:01pm

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@Everyone

Very nice close smauggie, makes clear to me thank you. Too bad it was soaked for so long!

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
18 Aug 2023
08:09:25am

re: picked this up a little while ago!

The seller describes it as a pen cancellation, so it probably didn't need to be soaked very long for part of it to disappear. I don't think I've ever heard of a stamp being soaked for "too long" before. I really like the stamp, it has a nice crisp design and three out of four really nice margins. Considering some stamps from this period I've seen I'd rate it about 8/10. The main difference between red brown and orange brown from what I've seen is that the red brown is quite a bit darker and, obviously, one looks red and the other looks orange. Colours do funny things over time but I'm pretty sure about this one.
What I'd really like to know is how people put those little arrows on their pictures. It must be reasonably straight forward but can anyone give me an easy to follow method?

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18 Aug 2023
08:36:25am

re: picked this up a little while ago!

@Harvey

In philately, cancellations with pens are also referred to as "manuscript" cancellations. The word manuscript is derived from the latin language and just means "hand-written".

The inks used to cancel stamps can weaken or dissipate it water, which is used to soak stamps. I am not sure if it is right to say that the stamp was soaked for "too long" necessarily so much as it was soaked long enough to affect the quality of the pigments in the cancel ink. This varies by time period and country.

I will share an example with you to explain.

Take a look at this stamp image I pulled from eBay.

Image Not Found

This stamp was soaked. It was likely soaked in hot water, which is always a bad idea. Using soapy water is also a bad idea as the soap will degrade the stamp. As you look closely at the cancel you can see the black ink of the cancel bleeding into the surrounding area of the stamp. What can also happen, especially in hot water soaking that the oils that are in the pigment can leach out and leave a grease stain on the stamp.

As you look at more and more stamps with such a critical eye you can begin to see these tell-tale signs of possible deterioration.

That being said there is nothing truly wrong with your stamp. It is a fine example.

What I have said may not be the most popular thing to say, but that does not bother me.

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
18 Aug 2023
09:37:48am

re: picked this up a little while ago!

Thanks Smauggie, great to know. It's great to have knowledgeable people out there! There's something else about these stamps I've got to look into, many of them have been recut! I assume they're talking about the dies used for printing the stamps - I need to do some research there! I was also fooling around in Paint with arrows and text. Obviously I've got more work to do, especially with the eraser feature. But I'll get there. I remember in the 1990's teaching a course in Autocad(sp) in high school. In a way Paint is quite similar, but I definitely have to work on the text and the eraser!!
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18 Aug 2023
09:56:07am

re: picked this up a little while ago!

Way to go Harvey! All it takes is a little experimentation and there is no knowing what you can get up to.

I use the free program called Paint.NET to edit my images but it doesn't much matter which program you use as long as you try.

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18 Aug 2023
10:23:16am

re: picked this up a little while ago!

@Everyone

Before stamp regular hinges, a lot of collectors would use self made glued paper hinges, these were very difficult to remove, they would be soaked way too long.

If (and only if) the cancel was originally green, faded green could be mistaken for another color, stamp dealers just like everyone else make mistakes! I mentioned green cancel hoping this collector had one.

The collector made a comment "I wasn't going to say this, but if you can't tell the colour from the monitor than why even make the comment?" was the collector talking about the stamp or cancel color? I think the stamp color is spot on, cancel color I don't know.

Many thanks for adding the arrows, but the words are too small! I use image pro 9, I can make arrows any size I need to, also add text and size it to what I need.

Keep trying, I'm sure you will get there with the arrows and text!

Good luck!

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
18 Aug 2023
11:06:07am

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Yup, that was the first try and took about 10 minutes. A little fooling around and I'll get better at it. Paint is an amazing program and I'm sure there's even better ones out there!!

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