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I have been saving covers that get sent to me with nice stamps and/or nice cancels or something else interesting. And all of these are from the last few years since I started collecting stamps. So these are truly modern! I have boxes and boxes of such items. I am trying to decide if any of them are collectible or should I just bin the lot or maybe donate them to some group or ???
Example below of what I am asking about:
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I am not sure that we need a term like "modern cover". I have never differentiated between "modern" and "classic" covers.
As an avid collector of United States auxiliary markings so-called modern covers offer up a wide array of markings that can only be found on modern covers such as this "Box Closed, Promotion Expired, Return to Sender" cover with a return to writer machine marking from El Paso.
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After 1950
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"After 1950"
That sounds right!!
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First of all, all are collectable, to someone, somewhere, somewhen.
For me, my particular dichotomy point would be 10:37AM, EST, Novembe4 22, 1939,
Not a minute earlier, nor a mnute hence,
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I couldn't resist posting a "classic" cover.
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Nice cover! Here is one slightly more "modern" but also nice, I think:
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"Avis de reception" is one of my favorite auxiliary markings. Wonderful example.
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Jack,
I think most of the responses clearly favor the collectability of covers in general, regardless of date.
Like Antonio, I collect auxiliary markings as well as tied seals on cover. The former change with the seasons, years, rules, etc., and many are extant only in certain periods, etc.
It takes a lot for me to pitch a cover (ok, the millionth flag over....) but most find their way to another collector, into a don't know yet pile, or one of my collections. I seldom recycle or destroy covers and am forever saddened remembering some i did in my earlier days. I wish I had them back for any of a hundred or more reasons.
If you're not going to save them, devise an organizational structure to offer them here. I'll likely bid on some.
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Not sure it was obvious but I too am reluctant to bin covers! I agree auxiliary markings are one thing that make for interesting covers, along with complicated or large postage amounts, neatly canceled (i.e., readable) and probably others I don't know about or understand yet.
So I have been saving most covers with even a modicum of interest. See image below of my cover archive. I could add more boxes but these are all full or almost full - over a thousand for sure, some are completely covered in postage front and back, some just have a single stamp. So, I am thinking of making up bundles and giving them away for the postage to send them to the winner or maybe paying the postage myself. Not sure how many to put in a group or how to show what is in the group. I will have to think about that. I will have some time after October to work on this.
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One more modern cover. Unusual in that it is forever stationery (only one I have gotten in last 5 years) and with neat and readable cancels. One question I have on this that is sort of generic. Does anyone know if the barcode at the bottom contains anything besides the receiving zip-code like date of receipt for example?
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You might have more covers than I do, Jack. Nice to know there are other cover fanciers in the world.
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Regarding your barcode question Jack, from what I have heard, and that isn't much, is very specific mail routing information.
I believe these were first used as part of the Nixie program, which affixed yellow labels to covers for routing.
This is a later example. I blurred the address and code to protect the innocent back when I first created the image.
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After seeing the posts on this thread and posting some covers, another thought on "modern" cover occurred to me. Modern (US) covers might be defined as having zip codes, which happened sometime in the 1960s I believe.
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That would certainly be a new advent for mail service in the USA anyway.
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The original 5-digit zips started in 1963.
The +4 code additions came about in 1983.
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July 1963 for ZIP; ZIP now includes ZIP +4 +2 (and maybe more; i only know my first 9 #s).
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The unique barcode is printed on envelopes with the recipient's address. There's a lot of data contained in those little black bars! They identify the distribution center, the carrier route, the sender's business mailer ID, and even the type of mail being sent (first class, standard, etc).
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maybe 10 of us get together (number is made up) and all of us pay for the postage to us; each of us tells all what we want, we go through the boxes and send the others the things they want (Jack is absolved of all costs here; and he can be one of the wanters).
Just a thought; I sound like my brother giving away others' stuff.
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Hmmm. That could work for me. If a bunch of people here would like these covers and got together to cover the postage, I could do that.
I can weigh each box and/or combine them into one bigger box. The box labeled US High Demonination needs more explanation. All the other boxes are stuff sent to me. That box is mostly on piece higher denomination (>$1 stamps) sent to a radio station. And a few big pieces that were taken off boxes sent to me.
I can shoot a photo of each box from a macro perspective and post them here.
Below is such a shot of the US High Denom box:
I have already picked about a small 3 ring binder full of covers from these over the years. But I have not done anything but save and file in these boxes for the last year or so.
Starting tomorrow, I will be traveling for just over a week. And I don't plan on taking a tablet/laptop, so will not be reading this forum till I get back.
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all right, i'll see if there's any interest here; and, if not here, at my local club. Then, if you decide you want to do this, we'll find a way
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I am interested in hearing what others think about this question. Myself I think I favor -- after World War II -- but wonder if there is a a more accepted definition.
I have been saving covers that get sent to me with nice stamps and/or nice cancels or something else interesting. And all of these are from the last few years since I started collecting stamps. So these are truly modern! I have boxes and boxes of such items. I am trying to decide if any of them are collectible or should I just bin the lot or maybe donate them to some group or ???
Example below of what I am asking about:
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I am not sure that we need a term like "modern cover". I have never differentiated between "modern" and "classic" covers.
As an avid collector of United States auxiliary markings so-called modern covers offer up a wide array of markings that can only be found on modern covers such as this "Box Closed, Promotion Expired, Return to Sender" cover with a return to writer machine marking from El Paso.
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After 1950
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"After 1950"
That sounds right!!
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re: What consitutes a modern cover (i.e., after 1940, after WWII, after 2000 or ...)
First of all, all are collectable, to someone, somewhere, somewhen.
For me, my particular dichotomy point would be 10:37AM, EST, Novembe4 22, 1939,
Not a minute earlier, nor a mnute hence,
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I couldn't resist posting a "classic" cover.
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Nice cover! Here is one slightly more "modern" but also nice, I think:
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"Avis de reception" is one of my favorite auxiliary markings. Wonderful example.
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Jack,
I think most of the responses clearly favor the collectability of covers in general, regardless of date.
Like Antonio, I collect auxiliary markings as well as tied seals on cover. The former change with the seasons, years, rules, etc., and many are extant only in certain periods, etc.
It takes a lot for me to pitch a cover (ok, the millionth flag over....) but most find their way to another collector, into a don't know yet pile, or one of my collections. I seldom recycle or destroy covers and am forever saddened remembering some i did in my earlier days. I wish I had them back for any of a hundred or more reasons.
If you're not going to save them, devise an organizational structure to offer them here. I'll likely bid on some.
David
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David,
Not sure it was obvious but I too am reluctant to bin covers! I agree auxiliary markings are one thing that make for interesting covers, along with complicated or large postage amounts, neatly canceled (i.e., readable) and probably others I don't know about or understand yet.
So I have been saving most covers with even a modicum of interest. See image below of my cover archive. I could add more boxes but these are all full or almost full - over a thousand for sure, some are completely covered in postage front and back, some just have a single stamp. So, I am thinking of making up bundles and giving them away for the postage to send them to the winner or maybe paying the postage myself. Not sure how many to put in a group or how to show what is in the group. I will have to think about that. I will have some time after October to work on this.
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re: What consitutes a modern cover (i.e., after 1940, after WWII, after 2000 or ...)
One more modern cover. Unusual in that it is forever stationery (only one I have gotten in last 5 years) and with neat and readable cancels. One question I have on this that is sort of generic. Does anyone know if the barcode at the bottom contains anything besides the receiving zip-code like date of receipt for example?
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You might have more covers than I do, Jack. Nice to know there are other cover fanciers in the world.
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Regarding your barcode question Jack, from what I have heard, and that isn't much, is very specific mail routing information.
I believe these were first used as part of the Nixie program, which affixed yellow labels to covers for routing.
This is a later example. I blurred the address and code to protect the innocent back when I first created the image.
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After seeing the posts on this thread and posting some covers, another thought on "modern" cover occurred to me. Modern (US) covers might be defined as having zip codes, which happened sometime in the 1960s I believe.
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That would certainly be a new advent for mail service in the USA anyway.
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re: What consitutes a modern cover (i.e., after 1940, after WWII, after 2000 or ...)
The original 5-digit zips started in 1963.
The +4 code additions came about in 1983.
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July 1963 for ZIP; ZIP now includes ZIP +4 +2 (and maybe more; i only know my first 9 #s).
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The unique barcode is printed on envelopes with the recipient's address. There's a lot of data contained in those little black bars! They identify the distribution center, the carrier route, the sender's business mailer ID, and even the type of mail being sent (first class, standard, etc).
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re: What consitutes a modern cover (i.e., after 1940, after WWII, after 2000 or ...)
maybe 10 of us get together (number is made up) and all of us pay for the postage to us; each of us tells all what we want, we go through the boxes and send the others the things they want (Jack is absolved of all costs here; and he can be one of the wanters).
Just a thought; I sound like my brother giving away others' stuff.
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Hmmm. That could work for me. If a bunch of people here would like these covers and got together to cover the postage, I could do that.
I can weigh each box and/or combine them into one bigger box. The box labeled US High Demonination needs more explanation. All the other boxes are stuff sent to me. That box is mostly on piece higher denomination (>$1 stamps) sent to a radio station. And a few big pieces that were taken off boxes sent to me.
I can shoot a photo of each box from a macro perspective and post them here.
Below is such a shot of the US High Denom box:
I have already picked about a small 3 ring binder full of covers from these over the years. But I have not done anything but save and file in these boxes for the last year or so.
Starting tomorrow, I will be traveling for just over a week. And I don't plan on taking a tablet/laptop, so will not be reading this forum till I get back.
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all right, i'll see if there's any interest here; and, if not here, at my local club. Then, if you decide you want to do this, we'll find a way
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