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12 Aug 2023
04:30:09pm
Don't see this type of "ribbing" ...see rear pic


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1898

12 Aug 2023
04:42:06pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

I do not know for sure what this is, but I know it's not ribbing!

It appears to be normal paper, but has gone thru something to give this appearance!

What is on the front side appears to be a scratched see "G" of Postage?

Also there is sculpting of the ink!

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12 Aug 2023
05:48:38pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

1898.....thanks for helping with what type of paper it might be.

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12 Aug 2023
05:58:08pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Sir, my pleasure.

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12 Aug 2023
06:07:02pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

This site will probably be of help. You may have to explore somewhat.
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gerom

13 Aug 2023
01:05:19am
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Hi
I don't think these traces are due to the way the paper was made.
It is possible to appear due to the application of gum.
These stamps MNH, 1945 Berlin Brandenburg are described in the Michel catalog with "waagerecht geriffelt =horizontally rippled" type gum

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13 Aug 2023
07:36:00am
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

I have seen something similar - when someone soaks a stamp off paper or hinge, then dries it on sheets of paper towel.

It picks up the waffled look of the paper towel.

Just an idea.

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1898

13 Aug 2023
08:31:02am
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

@musicman

Show us a scan please!

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gerom

13 Aug 2023
09:56:02am
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Hi
I don't collect US stamps but I have heard of stamps on horizontal or vertical "ribbed paper".
I formed a hypothesis based on what I read on the forums (I don't know English and often the terms are unclear to me)
Is the ribbed paper (very close horizontal/vertical lines) not visible in the watermark fluid? - so different from the spaced vertical or horizontal lines of "laid paper".
All collectors recommend an oblique light on the surface of the stamp paper for a good observation of the "ribbed paper" lines.
This recommendation led me to the conclusion that it is a deformation of the flatness of the paper and due to the reflection of light these darker lines appear.
My Berlin Brandenburg stamps show this deformation only on the back of the stamps and that is why I came to the conclusion that it is due to the way of applying the rubber.
US stamps on ribbed paper, can these lines also be seen on the face?
Maybe someone has a stamp with a border (on the area without a drawing you should see these lines)

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13 Aug 2023
11:21:54am
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Sheepshank.....I wish it looked like those in the link!

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cathotel

13 Aug 2023
05:48:52pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

I am definitely not an authority on the various papers used to print the Canadian large queen stamps, as outlined in the Unitrade catalogue for these issues. I would make the guess that this paper might be the "stout, horizontal weave" that is identified as typical for this issue (either #4 or #10). It seems a bit dramatic, but you obviously have greater magnification than I have available. If you can access the Duckworth original volume it might allow you to make a definite decision on this matter (I have never seen said volume).

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14 Aug 2023
09:41:19pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

This pic shows an example of what Randy mentioned - a stamp picking up the pattern in paper towels after being soaked and pressed dry on the towels. But I’m not sure if there are any paper towels that would leave such a fine pattern from the original post.

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15 Aug 2023
05:29:40pm

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re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Hello John!

Your stamp is with Wove paper as many of Mexican stamps. The Canadian stamps from 1870-1889 they have this type of paper, see Scott Catalogue #34 to 40.

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15 Aug 2023
06:01:56pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Thanks RTV!

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16 Aug 2023
01:33:24pm
re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

If you have or can access the Unitrade catalogue for Canadian stamps, there is a chart of the various papers on which the Large Queens were printed. It lists eight options for your #24. This catalogue also features a chart for the different papers on which the Small Queens were printed, definitely different from those of the large issues except for a small number of rare varieties. While neither chart illustrates the differences, it does give an indication of the feature that makes it different, though for the most discerning collectors of these issues it likely is essential to secure the specialized volumes that have been researched detailing the papers and printings of each issue.

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12 Aug 2023
04:30:09pm

Don't see this type of "ribbing" ...see rear pic


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12 Aug 2023
04:42:06pm

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

I do not know for sure what this is, but I know it's not ribbing!

It appears to be normal paper, but has gone thru something to give this appearance!

What is on the front side appears to be a scratched see "G" of Postage?

Also there is sculpting of the ink!

1898

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12 Aug 2023
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re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

1898.....thanks for helping with what type of paper it might be.

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12 Aug 2023
05:58:08pm

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Sir, my pleasure.

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12 Aug 2023
06:07:02pm

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

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gerom

13 Aug 2023
01:05:19am

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Hi
I don't think these traces are due to the way the paper was made.
It is possible to appear due to the application of gum.
These stamps MNH, 1945 Berlin Brandenburg are described in the Michel catalog with "waagerecht geriffelt =horizontally rippled" type gum

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The used stamp shows these traces that resemble those of your stamp:

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13 Aug 2023
07:36:00am

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

I have seen something similar - when someone soaks a stamp off paper or hinge, then dries it on sheets of paper towel.

It picks up the waffled look of the paper towel.

Just an idea.

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1898

13 Aug 2023
08:31:02am

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

@musicman

Show us a scan please!

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gerom

13 Aug 2023
09:56:02am

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Hi
I don't collect US stamps but I have heard of stamps on horizontal or vertical "ribbed paper".
I formed a hypothesis based on what I read on the forums (I don't know English and often the terms are unclear to me)
Is the ribbed paper (very close horizontal/vertical lines) not visible in the watermark fluid? - so different from the spaced vertical or horizontal lines of "laid paper".
All collectors recommend an oblique light on the surface of the stamp paper for a good observation of the "ribbed paper" lines.
This recommendation led me to the conclusion that it is a deformation of the flatness of the paper and due to the reflection of light these darker lines appear.
My Berlin Brandenburg stamps show this deformation only on the back of the stamps and that is why I came to the conclusion that it is due to the way of applying the rubber.
US stamps on ribbed paper, can these lines also be seen on the face?
Maybe someone has a stamp with a border (on the area without a drawing you should see these lines)

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13 Aug 2023
11:21:54am

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Sheepshank.....I wish it looked like those in the link!

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cathotel

13 Aug 2023
05:48:52pm

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

I am definitely not an authority on the various papers used to print the Canadian large queen stamps, as outlined in the Unitrade catalogue for these issues. I would make the guess that this paper might be the "stout, horizontal weave" that is identified as typical for this issue (either #4 or #10). It seems a bit dramatic, but you obviously have greater magnification than I have available. If you can access the Duckworth original volume it might allow you to make a definite decision on this matter (I have never seen said volume).

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14 Aug 2023
09:41:19pm

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

This pic shows an example of what Randy mentioned - a stamp picking up the pattern in paper towels after being soaked and pressed dry on the towels. But I’m not sure if there are any paper towels that would leave such a fine pattern from the original post.

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15 Aug 2023
05:29:40pm

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re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Hello John!

Your stamp is with Wove paper as many of Mexican stamps. The Canadian stamps from 1870-1889 they have this type of paper, see Scott Catalogue #34 to 40.

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15 Aug 2023
06:01:56pm

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

Thanks RTV!

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cathotel

16 Aug 2023
01:33:24pm

re: What kind of paper is this Canada Large Queen?

If you have or can access the Unitrade catalogue for Canadian stamps, there is a chart of the various papers on which the Large Queens were printed. It lists eight options for your #24. This catalogue also features a chart for the different papers on which the Small Queens were printed, definitely different from those of the large issues except for a small number of rare varieties. While neither chart illustrates the differences, it does give an indication of the feature that makes it different, though for the most discerning collectors of these issues it likely is essential to secure the specialized volumes that have been researched detailing the papers and printings of each issue.

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