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10 Aug 2023
08:17:21am
Just added this to my collection of Farley type stuff and to my precancel collection. Got them on the first bid and ended up paying about $20 CD and was very pleased with that. It's a very small town in California (616 in 2020) called Fall River Mills, California! Sorry the image is so incredibly small but I had to reduce image size by quite a bit so I could put it here. If you can't tell, it's the national parks series from the mid thirties!
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10 Aug 2023
08:31:40am
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Nice set.

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10 Aug 2023
01:55:51pm
re: An interesting set of precancels!

"One question, I assume these are local precancels? If this question upsets you please do no answer it!"


1898 I am very tired of all these games we seem to be playing. To be on the safe side from now on I am going to do what I planned on doing anyway - I am ignoring all threads that you start or participate in. I think that will be better for both of us!
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10 Aug 2023
05:22:36pm
re: An interesting set of precancels!

Got these in the mail a few days ago. I am now only missing eleven states and those I'll try to get through SOR. What I'm curious about are the two red precancels. Are there any other colours any of you have ever seen except for black and red?
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10 Aug 2023
05:36:34pm
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10 Aug 2023
10:02:17pm
re: An interesting set of precancels!

I saw these on line a little while ago but they went a bit high for me. The roundish ones are a bit odd as is the odd one with the star and track design on the bottom row. Have any of you precancel people seen stuff like this before? Is it a coincidence that they are all from Michigan? Might the roundish design represent the wheel and auto manufacturing and the odd one at the bottom the fact that it's a rail hub? Just a thought!!
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11 Aug 2023
11:30:13am
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Right and proper set, very nice.

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11 Aug 2023
01:52:39pm
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About the set of precancels on the Parks commemorative set of 1934. I was wondering how they came about. Is there a legitimate reason for the set to be precanceled in Fall River Mills, CA?

Many years ago, I considered building a collection of precancels and started to find all kinds of material available to collectors. Commemoratives, souvenir sheets, high values, small towns, etc. Most of these appeared to not have any legitimate reason to exist. I was a member of the Precancel Society so I asked a few knowledgeable collectors about this. They said that there were many postal clerks who did not mind applying the local precancel on any stamps submitted, even stamps decades old. There are also "fictitious" and privately produced precancels that never seen the inside of a post office. I'm not including the Bureau's, just the locals.

That knowledge turned me off from collecting them. If I couldn't separate the legitimate ones from the cinderellas, then it looked like too much of a project for me. And I LOVE cinderellas!

Just curious,

Tad

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11 Aug 2023
04:07:30pm
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I admit I was very iffy about the set but I collect variations of these particular stamps and even if they are fictitious the price was right and they are interesting. I'll mount them with a ???? next to them! It really is an odd set to exist as precancels and also from a very small town. They could very well be a collectors request, but what the heck!! I really only intend to get a couple precancels per state or protectorate but sometimes the odd stuff really appeals to me. Just out of curiosity, as a knowledgeable person on precancels, what's your opinion on those odd precancels from Michigan a little above this? I'm still learning in this area and I've never seen ones like this except from Michigan.
If the price is right I buy odd items. A few months ago I bought a set of early Canada imperforates from a seller on SOR knowing they were almost certainly cut back versions of perforates with large borders (Jumbos) but the price was cheap because both of us knew what they were. I really didn't want them to be thrown out and I have them labeled appropriately in my album. Sometimes the odd, and sometimes fake, stuff is the most interesting!! I showed these stamps to my local stamp dealer, I have been dealing with him or his father for about 50 years. He thought the stamps were interesting and really added "something" to my collection.

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11 Aug 2023
04:41:02pm
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@Harvey

Some time ago I informed you about the book I had, it will explain to you all your questions. It appears to me you are only interested in local precancels, this book covers each states locals in great details, electors, double lines, inverts etc. and more etc.!

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24 Aug 2023
10:00:02pm
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The lot of 64 precancelled 2 cent black Hardings I showed a picture of earlier in this set of posts - I wonder if I should check them to see if I have a rotary press perforated 11 #613 worth $45 000. Might be fun but what are the chances? It's amazing the difference a quarter of an inch and a slightly different perforation can make! Day Dreaming

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24 Aug 2023
10:54:29pm
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@Poster

Scott 613 (all four possible stamps are SIN A177)

There is an easier way to determine this, using my right and proper method, always look at the reverse side of each stamp first, if you see an offset in the same color as the face side, then you have a flat press printed stamp.

If you find stamp(s) without offset then make your self a matrix out of a known flat plate printed stamp (same cat. number) over lay it on the stamp with out the offset, if it matches in all four margins exactly you have a flat press printed stamp. If the stamp is larger than your matrix example do the next step.

From then measure the perf. gauge for 11-72!

By the way the difference is not 1/4 if an inch!

If you got this far, then maybe you have the Scott 613! But not likely.

Any questions about my method address posting to "1898"

I don't buy rare stamps I discover them!

Good luck!

1898


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10 Aug 2023
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Just added this to my collection of Farley type stuff and to my precancel collection. Got them on the first bid and ended up paying about $20 CD and was very pleased with that. It's a very small town in California (616 in 2020) called Fall River Mills, California! Sorry the image is so incredibly small but I had to reduce image size by quite a bit so I could put it here. If you can't tell, it's the national parks series from the mid thirties!
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Nice set.

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10 Aug 2023
01:55:51pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

"One question, I assume these are local precancels? If this question upsets you please do no answer it!"


1898 I am very tired of all these games we seem to be playing. To be on the safe side from now on I am going to do what I planned on doing anyway - I am ignoring all threads that you start or participate in. I think that will be better for both of us!
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10 Aug 2023
05:22:36pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

Got these in the mail a few days ago. I am now only missing eleven states and those I'll try to get through SOR. What I'm curious about are the two red precancels. Are there any other colours any of you have ever seen except for black and red?
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Experimental Bureau Precancel!

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10:02:17pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

I saw these on line a little while ago but they went a bit high for me. The roundish ones are a bit odd as is the odd one with the star and track design on the bottom row. Have any of you precancel people seen stuff like this before? Is it a coincidence that they are all from Michigan? Might the roundish design represent the wheel and auto manufacturing and the odd one at the bottom the fact that it's a rail hub? Just a thought!!
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11 Aug 2023
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Right and proper set, very nice.

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11 Aug 2023
01:52:39pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

About the set of precancels on the Parks commemorative set of 1934. I was wondering how they came about. Is there a legitimate reason for the set to be precanceled in Fall River Mills, CA?

Many years ago, I considered building a collection of precancels and started to find all kinds of material available to collectors. Commemoratives, souvenir sheets, high values, small towns, etc. Most of these appeared to not have any legitimate reason to exist. I was a member of the Precancel Society so I asked a few knowledgeable collectors about this. They said that there were many postal clerks who did not mind applying the local precancel on any stamps submitted, even stamps decades old. There are also "fictitious" and privately produced precancels that never seen the inside of a post office. I'm not including the Bureau's, just the locals.

That knowledge turned me off from collecting them. If I couldn't separate the legitimate ones from the cinderellas, then it looked like too much of a project for me. And I LOVE cinderellas!

Just curious,

Tad

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04:07:30pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

I admit I was very iffy about the set but I collect variations of these particular stamps and even if they are fictitious the price was right and they are interesting. I'll mount them with a ???? next to them! It really is an odd set to exist as precancels and also from a very small town. They could very well be a collectors request, but what the heck!! I really only intend to get a couple precancels per state or protectorate but sometimes the odd stuff really appeals to me. Just out of curiosity, as a knowledgeable person on precancels, what's your opinion on those odd precancels from Michigan a little above this? I'm still learning in this area and I've never seen ones like this except from Michigan.
If the price is right I buy odd items. A few months ago I bought a set of early Canada imperforates from a seller on SOR knowing they were almost certainly cut back versions of perforates with large borders (Jumbos) but the price was cheap because both of us knew what they were. I really didn't want them to be thrown out and I have them labeled appropriately in my album. Sometimes the odd, and sometimes fake, stuff is the most interesting!! I showed these stamps to my local stamp dealer, I have been dealing with him or his father for about 50 years. He thought the stamps were interesting and really added "something" to my collection.

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11 Aug 2023
04:41:02pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

@Harvey

Some time ago I informed you about the book I had, it will explain to you all your questions. It appears to me you are only interested in local precancels, this book covers each states locals in great details, electors, double lines, inverts etc. and more etc.!

1898

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24 Aug 2023
10:00:02pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

The lot of 64 precancelled 2 cent black Hardings I showed a picture of earlier in this set of posts - I wonder if I should check them to see if I have a rotary press perforated 11 #613 worth $45 000. Might be fun but what are the chances? It's amazing the difference a quarter of an inch and a slightly different perforation can make! Day Dreaming

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24 Aug 2023
10:54:29pm

re: An interesting set of precancels!

@Poster

Scott 613 (all four possible stamps are SIN A177)

There is an easier way to determine this, using my right and proper method, always look at the reverse side of each stamp first, if you see an offset in the same color as the face side, then you have a flat press printed stamp.

If you find stamp(s) without offset then make your self a matrix out of a known flat plate printed stamp (same cat. number) over lay it on the stamp with out the offset, if it matches in all four margins exactly you have a flat press printed stamp. If the stamp is larger than your matrix example do the next step.

From then measure the perf. gauge for 11-72!

By the way the difference is not 1/4 if an inch!

If you got this far, then maybe you have the Scott 613! But not likely.

Any questions about my method address posting to "1898"

I don't buy rare stamps I discover them!

Good luck!

1898


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