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United States/BOB & Other : Misidentified but with a Twist

 

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1898

05 Aug 2023
09:47:53am
Just for fun I checked an auction house for misidentified stamps and found 3 in a simple search, anyone could do the same using my method.

Have other SOR members also found misidentified stamps, show us what you found.

The twist is the image of two stamps, they are listed as R221 from the 1914, neither of them are R221's. The first one dated 1921 is actually R245, and the second one is dated 1936 is actually R259. In addition it's stated both are "2v used fines", which I'm guessing is supposed to be 2 very fine condition. But the R259 has damaged condition clearly anyone could see this damage. The R259 in Scott is priced as $74.00 or $30.00 cut cancel which I think is an interesting twist!

The single stamp is listed as R221 inscribed "Series 1914" but it's not R221, I know what it is, can you determine the correct Scott cat. number?

Clearly this dealer doesn't, right and proper know how to identify stamps!

Buyer be aware! All it takes is simple research to properly identify stamps.

I don't buy rare stamps I discover them, you can to!!!

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06 Aug 2023
08:31:44am

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Let me guess.

I believe the first 2 are both R245. R245 is perf 11. Both appear to be perf 11.

The single stamp looks to be perf 10 which would make it R259.

Just guessing on a Sunday morning, not my area.

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06 Aug 2023
10:32:51am
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The right and proper identification is in my original posting, no guessing required.

Otherwise thank you!

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06 Aug 2023
11:11:08am

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I know that the top 2 and the single are not inscribed "Series 1914" which would eliminate R221. However, since R259 is perf 10 and R245 is perf 11, I fail to see that the second stamp of the 2 is R259 and not R245 which has the same perf as the first one.

Please educate me. I want to learn.

Thanks

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06 Aug 2023
01:38:54pm
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I have to agree with Mel... the two stamps pictured together obviously have the same perforation as seen side-by-side. You also state that the right-hand stamp "has damaged condition clearly anyone could see" but I am not anyone. Could you help us out by pointing out the damage that you see.
Has it occurred to you that sometimes a dealer may make an honest mistake and post the wrong stamp in a listing? I have seen many such instances and have found that the dealer thanks me when I send them a note about the error.

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1898

06 Aug 2023
02:06:45pm
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@mbo1142 & Terry

I'll try to answer both posting with this one posting!

There are at least 2 holes I see, to me this makes it a damaged stamp. perhaps you disagree OK.

There is a difference between July 1921 and June 1936.

Both stamps the perfs. appears the same to me also, but because its dated 1936 I have to assume it's R259. Post dated usage of R245 is in theory possible, but in the real life extremely rare.

I have no idea if this dealer made an honest mistake. I searched the other items the seller had up in auction and only found 2 or 3 other mistakes, makes me think these are not mistakes! But of course I could be mistaken!

I'm happy you know about the inscribed 1914 date for the right and proper how to ID American Fiscals, glad I could help you. Perhaps you are like me, I like to talk stamps and learn even if I don't collect that area of the world. I especially like learning about German stamps as I lived in Germany for years.

I hope this did educate you, I'm always available to educate if you desire more information.

Hope this answered both posting, let me know if there is any other questions.

One point to keep in mind, I don't own these stamps, I was working off a computer image, as we all know or should know a computer image is difficult sometimes or appears differently!!!

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06 Aug 2023
03:34:31pm
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Yes... I pulled up the original eBay listing and I see that there is one very small hole between the S and T of STATES. However, it was not immediately noticeable from the front view. It could have been ink from the cancel or a foreign object caught in the scan. I had to look at the back view to see the defect.

You did not say if you asked the seller about your concerns. If there is any question about an eBay listing, my first suggestion would be to contact the seller, rather than to inquire the court of public opinion about a computer scan.

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1898

06 Aug 2023
04:55:21pm
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@Terry

Please reread my original posting!

I had no problem seeing the hole right off!

As you can see my original posting "Just for fun", I'm not interested in this item, this was an attempt to show SOR members how to detect misidentified stamps, and how common it was, as such right and proper for education purposes! You are welcome.

Wishing you good luck in your future stamp collecting efforts!

1898

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05 Aug 2023
09:47:53am

Just for fun I checked an auction house for misidentified stamps and found 3 in a simple search, anyone could do the same using my method.

Have other SOR members also found misidentified stamps, show us what you found.

The twist is the image of two stamps, they are listed as R221 from the 1914, neither of them are R221's. The first one dated 1921 is actually R245, and the second one is dated 1936 is actually R259. In addition it's stated both are "2v used fines", which I'm guessing is supposed to be 2 very fine condition. But the R259 has damaged condition clearly anyone could see this damage. The R259 in Scott is priced as $74.00 or $30.00 cut cancel which I think is an interesting twist!

The single stamp is listed as R221 inscribed "Series 1914" but it's not R221, I know what it is, can you determine the correct Scott cat. number?

Clearly this dealer doesn't, right and proper know how to identify stamps!

Buyer be aware! All it takes is simple research to properly identify stamps.

I don't buy rare stamps I discover them, you can to!!!

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06 Aug 2023
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re: Misidentified but with a Twist

Let me guess.

I believe the first 2 are both R245. R245 is perf 11. Both appear to be perf 11.

The single stamp looks to be perf 10 which would make it R259.

Just guessing on a Sunday morning, not my area.

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1898

06 Aug 2023
10:32:51am

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The right and proper identification is in my original posting, no guessing required.

Otherwise thank you!

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06 Aug 2023
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I know that the top 2 and the single are not inscribed "Series 1914" which would eliminate R221. However, since R259 is perf 10 and R245 is perf 11, I fail to see that the second stamp of the 2 is R259 and not R245 which has the same perf as the first one.

Please educate me. I want to learn.

Thanks

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06 Aug 2023
01:38:54pm

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I have to agree with Mel... the two stamps pictured together obviously have the same perforation as seen side-by-side. You also state that the right-hand stamp "has damaged condition clearly anyone could see" but I am not anyone. Could you help us out by pointing out the damage that you see.
Has it occurred to you that sometimes a dealer may make an honest mistake and post the wrong stamp in a listing? I have seen many such instances and have found that the dealer thanks me when I send them a note about the error.

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1898

06 Aug 2023
02:06:45pm

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@mbo1142 & Terry

I'll try to answer both posting with this one posting!

There are at least 2 holes I see, to me this makes it a damaged stamp. perhaps you disagree OK.

There is a difference between July 1921 and June 1936.

Both stamps the perfs. appears the same to me also, but because its dated 1936 I have to assume it's R259. Post dated usage of R245 is in theory possible, but in the real life extremely rare.

I have no idea if this dealer made an honest mistake. I searched the other items the seller had up in auction and only found 2 or 3 other mistakes, makes me think these are not mistakes! But of course I could be mistaken!

I'm happy you know about the inscribed 1914 date for the right and proper how to ID American Fiscals, glad I could help you. Perhaps you are like me, I like to talk stamps and learn even if I don't collect that area of the world. I especially like learning about German stamps as I lived in Germany for years.

I hope this did educate you, I'm always available to educate if you desire more information.

Hope this answered both posting, let me know if there is any other questions.

One point to keep in mind, I don't own these stamps, I was working off a computer image, as we all know or should know a computer image is difficult sometimes or appears differently!!!

1898




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06 Aug 2023
03:34:31pm

re: Misidentified but with a Twist

Yes... I pulled up the original eBay listing and I see that there is one very small hole between the S and T of STATES. However, it was not immediately noticeable from the front view. It could have been ink from the cancel or a foreign object caught in the scan. I had to look at the back view to see the defect.

You did not say if you asked the seller about your concerns. If there is any question about an eBay listing, my first suggestion would be to contact the seller, rather than to inquire the court of public opinion about a computer scan.

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1898

06 Aug 2023
04:55:21pm

re: Misidentified but with a Twist

@Terry

Please reread my original posting!

I had no problem seeing the hole right off!

As you can see my original posting "Just for fun", I'm not interested in this item, this was an attempt to show SOR members how to detect misidentified stamps, and how common it was, as such right and proper for education purposes! You are welcome.

Wishing you good luck in your future stamp collecting efforts!

1898

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