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Really nice picture!
Do you just want to ID this stamp so you can sell it?
Or do want to become a stamp collector, and learn how to properly ID this stamp?
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I would really like to know how to properly ID the thing It's off center so I believe being centered is better than off centered and I just don't know anything else about it i don't know if i want to sell or keep it.
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03:36:28pm
Three choices and you need a perforation guide and a very good measure!!
1) #610 Flat Plate printing Perf 11 Image size 19.25 by 22.25 mm $0.55
2) #612 Rotary Press printing Perf 10 Image size 19.25 by 22.5 mm $15
3) #613 Rotary Press printing Perf 11 Image size 19,25 by 22.5 mm $40 000
It would be fantastic if it was the third choice, but it is probably the first, maybe, if you're real lucky, the third!!
Early US material is fun, but difficult - lots of perfs to check, watermarks to look for and many colour shades. This one is actually fairly easy. If you decide it is #613 you should have it checked out by an expert!!
Just thought I should mention there is a #611 but it is imperforate, so that choice is out.
Edit: Judging by your ruler it appears to be 22.25 mm which makes it, unfortunately, #610!
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thank you everyone for your input. i just started really looking at these stamps and i don't have a gauge. guess its time to get one. lol
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To properly ID you will need a few things.
A Scott Cat. (you can almost always find one at a library.) Suggest reading the begining, lots of info there.
A right and proper perforation gauge of which the standard would be in thousands of an inch. You can use a gauge in MMs it's functional some what but misleading and not accurate enough.
If you want to check the condition you will need a watermark fluid and a watermark plastic tray for now.
That's the basic tools you will need.
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I would add that a set of stamp tongs (tweezers) will stop the greasy fluids that are on our hands from damaging the stamp. Not ordinary tweezers, they are too sharp.
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Good point!
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Here are some introductory stamp collecting links you may find useful:
https://stamps.org/learn/getting-started
https://www.kenmorestamp.com/guide-to-co ...
https://info.mysticstamp.com/
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thank you everyone you are all so kind. i will be buying the tools today. wonder if hobby lobby has them. the perf. gauge and the watermark fluid etc.
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Hobby Lobby has tongs, but not very good one.
I've never seen watermark fluid there.
At times they do carry perf gauges.
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You can also find out about basic stamp collecting from various videos on You Tube. Take a look at these, and there are plenty more.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ...
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@jojo75
If I could offer a suggestion, see if there is a stamp shop where you live.
Most stamp shops sometimes have used collector supplies like
Older catalogs much cheaper (you don't need the current catalog to get started.)
Watermark fluid costs a lot, I use Ronsonol Lighter Fluid
Stock books
Tongs
Other misc. supplies new and used.
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That looks like a flat plate printing to me. Find an image of the rotary press and compare.
- flat plat Harding crisp contrast - rotary ink wash less contrast/gray
- rotary rarely with spots of color on back - yours has spots of color - likely flat plate
Its easy enough to determine if you have a cheap Washington Franklin rotary press, cut away the ends and line up against the Harding and compare sizes.
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Check this out to see how to create a template:
Kenmore: flat vs rotary
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Or this:
Swedish Tiger: Scott 613
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thank you everyone for your input and info. I really appreciate it. I have decided to leave it alone for now. I did this because, well I turned the page and started looking at other stamps etc.
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"... I turned the page and started looking at other stamps etc."
Welcome to our world!! You've discovered the lure of collecting!
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what a great, helpful thread; not only giving the answer but how to get there.
We sometimes have older Scott catalogues for sale here, too. A beginner collector definitely does NOT need a current set, nor do the volumes all need to be from the same year (and if you're only collecting US, then you only need the Specialized OR Volume 1).
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Note, referring to my previous comment about creating a "template" by destroying another stamp. You don't actually have to destroy the stamp and can just compare vertical and horizontal dimensions between the two stamps. The "template" just makes it easier. I just compare straight against existing cheap stamp without destroying the latter. (Or you can just measure using the same instrument, provided you are adept enough at measurements and trust your results - partly, meaning that sometimes I magically get the result I am looking for if not careful to be unbiased.)
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Just for the record, I have personally looked at the stamp in question. I believe it to be Scott #610, and possibly regummed.
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02:11:58pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Really nice picture!
Do you just want to ID this stamp so you can sell it?
Or do want to become a stamp collector, and learn how to properly ID this stamp?
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02:17:28pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
I would really like to know how to properly ID the thing It's off center so I believe being centered is better than off centered and I just don't know anything else about it i don't know if i want to sell or keep it.
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02:54:29pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
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03:36:28pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Three choices and you need a perforation guide and a very good measure!!
1) #610 Flat Plate printing Perf 11 Image size 19.25 by 22.25 mm $0.55
2) #612 Rotary Press printing Perf 10 Image size 19.25 by 22.5 mm $15
3) #613 Rotary Press printing Perf 11 Image size 19,25 by 22.5 mm $40 000
It would be fantastic if it was the third choice, but it is probably the first, maybe, if you're real lucky, the third!!
Early US material is fun, but difficult - lots of perfs to check, watermarks to look for and many colour shades. This one is actually fairly easy. If you decide it is #613 you should have it checked out by an expert!!
Just thought I should mention there is a #611 but it is imperforate, so that choice is out.
Edit: Judging by your ruler it appears to be 22.25 mm which makes it, unfortunately, #610!
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05:29:47pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
thank you everyone for your input. i just started really looking at these stamps and i don't have a gauge. guess its time to get one. lol
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05:40:40pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Hi
To properly ID you will need a few things.
A Scott Cat. (you can almost always find one at a library.) Suggest reading the begining, lots of info there.
A right and proper perforation gauge of which the standard would be in thousands of an inch. You can use a gauge in MMs it's functional some what but misleading and not accurate enough.
If you want to check the condition you will need a watermark fluid and a watermark plastic tray for now.
That's the basic tools you will need.
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
I would add that a set of stamp tongs (tweezers) will stop the greasy fluids that are on our hands from damaging the stamp. Not ordinary tweezers, they are too sharp.
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07:17:44pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
@sheepshanks
Good point!
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10:23:23pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Here are some introductory stamp collecting links you may find useful:
https://stamps.org/learn/getting-started
https://www.kenmorestamp.com/guide-to-co ...
https://info.mysticstamp.com/
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09:04:34am
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
thank you everyone you are all so kind. i will be buying the tools today. wonder if hobby lobby has them. the perf. gauge and the watermark fluid etc.
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Hobby Lobby has tongs, but not very good one.
I've never seen watermark fluid there.
At times they do carry perf gauges.
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
You can also find out about basic stamp collecting from various videos on You Tube. Take a look at these, and there are plenty more.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ...
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11:16:54am
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
@jojo75
If I could offer a suggestion, see if there is a stamp shop where you live.
Most stamp shops sometimes have used collector supplies like
Older catalogs much cheaper (you don't need the current catalog to get started.)
Watermark fluid costs a lot, I use Ronsonol Lighter Fluid
Stock books
Tongs
Other misc. supplies new and used.
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
That looks like a flat plate printing to me. Find an image of the rotary press and compare.
- flat plat Harding crisp contrast - rotary ink wash less contrast/gray
- rotary rarely with spots of color on back - yours has spots of color - likely flat plate
Its easy enough to determine if you have a cheap Washington Franklin rotary press, cut away the ends and line up against the Harding and compare sizes.
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Check this out to see how to create a template:
Kenmore: flat vs rotary
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Or this:
Swedish Tiger: Scott 613
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07:23:51pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
thank you everyone for your input and info. I really appreciate it. I have decided to leave it alone for now. I did this because, well I turned the page and started looking at other stamps etc.
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
"... I turned the page and started looking at other stamps etc."
Welcome to our world!! You've discovered the lure of collecting!
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
what a great, helpful thread; not only giving the answer but how to get there.
We sometimes have older Scott catalogues for sale here, too. A beginner collector definitely does NOT need a current set, nor do the volumes all need to be from the same year (and if you're only collecting US, then you only need the Specialized OR Volume 1).
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re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Note, referring to my previous comment about creating a "template" by destroying another stamp. You don't actually have to destroy the stamp and can just compare vertical and horizontal dimensions between the two stamps. The "template" just makes it easier. I just compare straight against existing cheap stamp without destroying the latter. (Or you can just measure using the same instrument, provided you are adept enough at measurements and trust your results - partly, meaning that sometimes I magically get the result I am looking for if not careful to be unbiased.)
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08:02:33pm
re: I can't identify this stamp can anybody help wow those pics are huge. i will try to fix it sorry
Just for the record, I have personally looked at the stamp in question. I believe it to be Scott #610, and possibly regummed.
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