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26 May 2023
10:28:28am
Found this photo in a stamp collection. Can anyone identify this early airplane (I believe from the time they were calling them "flyers", as in "Wright Flyer", and not yet "airplanes" or "aeroplanes", depending on which side of the Atlantic).

The image is faded. Here is the original:

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and here it is "auto adjust color" by Irfanview:

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26 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

Good luck on your search Roy.

During this period there were dozens of Companies and individuals building these sorts of planes.

I've checked Getty Images and the closest I came to your photo was a Farham built in 1909.

The one distinctive detail in your photo are the 2 wheels as most had 4 or in some cases 3.

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27 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

This COULD be one of the Wright Brothers' planes.....the design is nearly identical.

Looks to be from the time period of 1902-09.

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27 May 2023
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It is a Sommer from 1910. The first airplane to carry mail. It is French (I first assumed it had to be North American but it isn't)

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P.S. My brother who is an aviation historian provided this info.

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27 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

"P.S. My brother who is an aviation historian provided this info."



Fantastic. Thank you for including him in the search and thank him for me. Now I am going to have to research the early mail flights. I presume that mail flight you mention is the 1911 Indian flight?

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To be honest, I have no idea. I will ask him for more information on this first mail flight.

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Well Done Jansimon's Brother.Thumbs Up

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27 May 2023
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Well done, Jan-Simon.

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28 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

So I followed up on Jan Simon's mention that this plane was "The first airplane to carry mail", and my presumption that meant the 1911 Indian Airmail Flight.

Searching for information on this flight, I stumbled upon a Sparks Auction of Ottawa Ontario (friends of mine, so they are ok with me sharing their pics and links) auction of three years ago that I remember well. The Stephen H. Smith collection of early airmails - an absolutely amazing collection.

Here is one of the highlight lots on their "recap" page https://sparks-auctions.com/tag/henri-pe ...

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Here is an enlargement of the picture side of the postcard:

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Perfect match. It's even possible that my photo is of this flight!

Thanks again to your brother Jan-Simon!

Roy

P.S. If you are not familiar with Sparks, and you're looking for high quality material, you should visit their site. The stuff they have been getting the last few years has been amazing. They have a sale beginning next Friday June 1. Well worth the browse. https://sparks-auctions.com/

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26 May 2023
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Found this photo in a stamp collection. Can anyone identify this early airplane (I believe from the time they were calling them "flyers", as in "Wright Flyer", and not yet "airplanes" or "aeroplanes", depending on which side of the Atlantic).

The image is faded. Here is the original:

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and here it is "auto adjust color" by Irfanview:

Image Not Found

Roy

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26 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

Good luck on your search Roy.

During this period there were dozens of Companies and individuals building these sorts of planes.

I've checked Getty Images and the closest I came to your photo was a Farham built in 1909.

The one distinctive detail in your photo are the 2 wheels as most had 4 or in some cases 3.

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27 May 2023
09:49:52am

re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

This COULD be one of the Wright Brothers' planes.....the design is nearly identical.

Looks to be from the time period of 1902-09.

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27 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

It is a Sommer from 1910. The first airplane to carry mail. It is French (I first assumed it had to be North American but it isn't)

Image Not Found

P.S. My brother who is an aviation historian provided this info.

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27 May 2023
12:35:19pm

re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

"P.S. My brother who is an aviation historian provided this info."



Fantastic. Thank you for including him in the search and thank him for me. Now I am going to have to research the early mail flights. I presume that mail flight you mention is the 1911 Indian flight?

Roy
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27 May 2023
12:51:39pm

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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

To be honest, I have no idea. I will ask him for more information on this first mail flight.

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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

Well Done Jansimon's Brother.Thumbs Up

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27 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

Well done, Jan-Simon.

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28 May 2023
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re: Aviation enthusiasts: Can you identify this early "flyer"?

So I followed up on Jan Simon's mention that this plane was "The first airplane to carry mail", and my presumption that meant the 1911 Indian Airmail Flight.

Searching for information on this flight, I stumbled upon a Sparks Auction of Ottawa Ontario (friends of mine, so they are ok with me sharing their pics and links) auction of three years ago that I remember well. The Stephen H. Smith collection of early airmails - an absolutely amazing collection.

Here is one of the highlight lots on their "recap" page https://sparks-auctions.com/tag/henri-pe ...

Image Not Found


Here is an enlargement of the picture side of the postcard:

Image Not Found

Perfect match. It's even possible that my photo is of this flight!

Thanks again to your brother Jan-Simon!

Roy

P.S. If you are not familiar with Sparks, and you're looking for high quality material, you should visit their site. The stuff they have been getting the last few years has been amazing. They have a sale beginning next Friday June 1. Well worth the browse. https://sparks-auctions.com/

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