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1898

24 May 2023
07:48:46pm
Who will be the first person to factual identify which Revenue Stamp was only printed for two days?


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25 May 2023
11:03:19am
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Perhaps this challenge is too hard, or no one really cares for this type of challenge.




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25 May 2023
11:27:43am
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Dear 1898,
Perhaps the "challenge" is too laser focused- I suspect that if the question were broadened to offer assistance to anyone who is into this area of collecting and needs a mentor to work with, you might get the response you're looking for.

On a broader note, perhaps gathering like minded folk into a subgroup in this area of collecting might also generate the comradery that is the hallmark of SOR.

Just saying!
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25 May 2023
12:28:50pm
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@dani20

is too laser focused, I don't even know what this means.

Perhaps a hint would be in order, issued in 1898.

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25 May 2023
12:50:10pm
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@1898

Any hint as to which country it is from, or would that be giving it away?

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25 May 2023
01:26:24pm
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The problem is that you are an expert in a certain area and no one else has the same expertise. This is a relatively small group and there are no other people here who specialize in the same area to the same degree as you do. I know you are asking about a particular US revenue stamp but the only way I could ever hope to answer your question is by using Google and that probably wouldn't even work. Quizzes are a fantastic thing to promote interest but they have to be in an area where we have knowledge. I went to "member information" and searched "US Revenue" and only two names came up. And even that is a broad area so the chances that any of us could answer your question is minimal. Also very few people would have the amount of knowledge you have in that area, remember you have been collecting these stamps for over 60 years! Please try something a bit more general. I also collect US Revenues but have no way near the knowledge about them that you do.

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1898

25 May 2023
01:35:01pm
re: Want a Challenge

@auldstampguy or Tim

It was posted under "Show Topics " "United States BOB and Other", this sort of gives it away by my way of thinking.

Another hint: Documentary!


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1898

25 May 2023
01:37:20pm
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@Harvey

Thank you! I knew you'd show up sooner or lated.

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25 May 2023
04:34:13pm
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I'm just going to make a guess and the only thing I can base it on is price. How about the $500 documentary stamp R133 that list at $17 500. It is an amazingly beautiful stamp and if I were a very rich person I'd love to own one. That and R132 are amazingly beautiful stamps with incredible engraving!

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1898

25 May 2023
05:38:45pm
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I should have mentioned that anyone could afford to buy one if they could find one.

Answer: R161 1/2 cent orange. Printed only part of 2 days, then color changed to gray. Single used stamp affordable, on a document rare, single use on a document only 2 known so far.


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25 May 2023
05:58:44pm
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Thanks for the quiz and the information! That explains why I am missing that one, not real expensive but more than the others. Any idea why it changed colour?

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21 Jun 2023
08:10:04am
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I noticed this on line a couple days ago and it took me a little while to see what was wrong with it. I wasn't really considering it because of the shipping but the price was reasonable. Can anyone spot the problem? 1898, I know you'll spot it right away so hold off a bit and give the others a chance first!
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/275179323941
Hint: I'm not talking about the damage on the 4 cent stamp!

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21 Jun 2023
09:38:25am
re: Want a Challenge

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I see it!

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21 Jun 2023
10:33:48am
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@1898 I knew you'd spot it, wait a day to give others a chance. This one really ticked me off because at first glance it would be easy to miss and I would say it was done on purpose by a seller who doesn't take returns! It's awful close to fraud even though the seller could always claim he/she didn't notice!

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21 Jun 2023
10:51:29am
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A question about the 4 cent. Since the damage is due to a cut cancel and cut cancels are always cheaper anyway would it even be considered to be damage? This is not the problem with the series that I am looking for!

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1898

21 Jun 2023
11:44:16am
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@Harvey

The 4 cents stamp does not come under the Treasury Directive because it's under the threshold of 10 cents. So I would consider it damaged.

Reference your last posting I'm not sure what is meant " Remember this is not the problem with the series!", only the 10 Cent values and above used on and after 1 Dec 1900 (IAW the Treasury directive added the requirement of the 3 slits). If someone decides the 3 slits are makes the stamp damaged, then may I suggest crossing out or deleting your sentence!

My own experence (only my thinking) this is not a complete set (as you and I know), besides the price is way way too much, but of course the seller has the right to ask anything.

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21 Jun 2023
03:11:45pm
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"the price is way way too much"


You're right about that!! I still might have been tempted since I'd love to finish the series, but I really doubt if I would have paid that much!! I was just a bit fascinated about what the clown tried to get away with!!
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21 Jun 2023
05:07:02pm
re: Want a Challenge

I agree the price is much too high, to say nothing of the shipping to Canada that would be added onto it. I presume the problem you are challenging us to find is that the advertised series is not fully represented since the first pictured stamp is the Proprietary series 3/8c instead of the Documentary 1/2c (both orange).

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21 Jun 2023
05:22:17pm
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That's it Tom!! And to me, since the seller went to the trouble of finding a stamp of the same colour, it was a deliberate attempt to defraud. Even if he doesn't take returns if someone was stupid enough to buy the "set" they should have a good reason to make a complaint and return it! I'm finding it much harder to buy on E-Bay with the ridiculous shipping prices and what some people expect to sell their stuff for!!

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1898

21 Jun 2023
05:43:27pm
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@Harvey

Just for fun I looked at other stamps this seller is selling, and found a few errors in the description, which makes me think the seller is not being careful or just doesn't care!

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21 Jun 2023
06:26:09pm
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I figured out the 3/8c too. My question is - I know revenues are sometimes harder to find in nice condition than postage stamps. Several stamps in the lot look pretty ratty to me (ex: 40c) - is that typical condition?

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21 Jun 2023
06:57:22pm
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@joshtanski

Proprietary revenue stamps used on medicine boxes were usually placed on the box flap and you had to tear the stamp when opening the box.

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13 Jul 2023
07:00:34pm
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I found a complete set of R161 to R172 including the two I was missing, the half cent orange and the 80 cent, for $20 USD and a very reasonable $3 shipping to Canada. I figured I was probably not going to do better than that so I jumped. I really don't mind giving away R162 to R171 to anyone who want's them. There will be no charge including shipping. But obviously the first one here who asks for them and you have to wait until I get them myself!! I'd prefer if you added them to your collection rather than resold them but it really doesn't matter too much. Also you have to take all 10!

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1898

13 Jul 2023
08:09:52pm
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@Harvey

A complete set R161 - R172 for $23.00, wish I knew you wanted a set, I would have sent you a set for free.

Which set did you get the R's or P's or did you the complete set of R's and P's or was it a mixed set of R's and P's? Mint or used?

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13 Jul 2023
09:40:45pm
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1898 The ones I bought were the R's (Revenues), mostly used. I already had a complete set of the P's (Proprietaries). also mostly used! I usually end up with those type of stamps used since it shows a bit more history. I really didn't mind spending the $23 since the price was reasonable, but I do appreciate the offer. Have a great weekend and thanks!!
Edit: Just checking out the stamps, my copy of PB29 should be replaced but I can live with it for a while! Someone for some stupid reason cut around the design, not sure why. But it doesn't matter that much! I think those two series are two of my favourite revenue series. I'm not sure why but I really like the simple design and the great engraving.

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1898

13 Jul 2023
10:48:24pm
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@Harvey

The R's are the Rouletted 5 1/2.

The P's are the Hyphen hole 7.

The R161-R172 set you mentioned are the Documentary and not the Proprietary stamps!

My offer was only for the Documentary stamps.

If you have the Scott Specialized Catalog you will see that these stamps performations (performation is the wrong word but I don't know what to call it) comes Rouletted 5 1/2 or Hyphen Hole 7.

Rouletted 5 1/2 used from July 1898 until late 1899.

Hyphen Hole used from late 1899 until June 1902.

Exact date of the change over from Rouletted to Hyphen Hole unknown (one thing I'm researching for years but I still don't know the date.)

The date was before the effected date of the Treasury Directive of December 1899.

So which R162-R172 are you getting, R's or P's (I suspect you will get R's as the P's usually cost more.

Are you getting mint or used? A used set should only cost less than $1.00.

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14 Jul 2023
11:38:29pm
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@Harvey

If it would help you understand the difference between thre R's and P's I could scan them so you would understand the right and proper way to tell the difference.

It would help others out there who don't understand the differences.

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16 Jul 2023
03:39:05am
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@Harvey

See the scan, hope this makes you understand what is meant by right and proper "R's" or "P's".

Here is a list of Scott Numbers for which values come with either R or P (some only come with R.)

R161R = Rouletted only
R162R = Rouletted only
R163R & R163P
R164R & R164P
R165R & R165P
R166R & R166P
R167R & R167P
R168R & R168P
R169R & R168P
R170R & R170P (R170P's are rare in pairs and blocks, rarely seen)
R171R & R171P
R172R & R172P

There are other Revenues of the 1898 Series that also have R's and P's, and others series related to the 1898 Series!

You should (just a suggestion) visit the library and burn the pages from the Scott catalog so you will know what to look for.

Albums I've seen do not mention the R's or P's and only have spaces for one each face value!

The 1898 Series and related series really demand a good Scott Catalog if you want the complete right and proper set!

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16 Jul 2023
08:24:11am
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Good post 1898. I think all of mine are rouletted but I'll have a proper look when I get back from breakfast.
I'm not going to turn this into a political statement but I travel the fringes of the nearby burned out area on my way to breakfast most mornings. A few of the houses are being started and in the wooded areas the first thing to come back are the ferns. And they are coming in with a vengeance!! I 'll be interested to see how long it takes for small shrubs to show up, I know when we went to Newfoundland during late Summer and early Fall recently burned areas were great for picking blue berries.

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16 Jul 2023
08:51:12am
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"Always show the reverse side!"



...someone once said....



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16 Jul 2023
09:45:36am
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@Harvey

How close did the fire come to where you live?

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16 Jul 2023
09:48:02am
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Who ever said that must be very smart, someone you could learn from.

Thank you for this!!!

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16 Jul 2023
10:00:21am
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@1898 Here is what my Scott's US Specialized says about the two series of stamps. " There are two styles of rouletting for the proprietary and the documentary stamps of the 1898 issue, the ordinary rouletting 5 1/2 and the one by which small rectangles of paper are cut out, usually called Hyphen-hole perforation 7. Several stamps are known with an apparent roulette 14 caused by the slippage of a hyphen-hole 7 rouletting wheel". Do you have any of those? In Scott's they name the regular rouletting with just the R code and the hyphen-hole with an R code with the stamp # and then a "p". I have never differentiated between the two probably because my Harris album only showed one series. I do have a few of the "p code" stamps and will number them appropriately. Thanks for setting me straight, it's always great to have experts around and I have learned a great deal since joining SOR. And what I have learned always ends up in little side pursuits that usually cost money. Now I not only want R161 to R172 and RB20 to RB31 but also R163p to R172p and RB20p to RB31p. Used is fine and most are fairly cheap, thankfully!! I'll just have to keep my eyes open!

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16 Jul 2023
10:38:45am
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@Harvey

You asked "Do you have any of those?", you are referring to what we call "HH".

Yes I have a few, this is really just a production by product. For what ever reason, the rotary performation machine was not set up correctly, the HH only occurs on the P's stamps, I show you a few if you want to see them. Let me know.

Forest fire, I fought a forrest fire when I lived in Mich. Lucky my secret fishig spot was not affected.

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24 Jul 2023
10:22:40am
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!898 A year or so ago I bought a bunch of pages for US revenue stamps since my back of book for my Harris Album does a very poor job with most of it, except for the early revenue material. They do a much better and more complete job with RB code (proprietary stamps), it even splits the battleship series (RB20 - RB31) up into the Rouletted 5 1/2 and the Perforated Hyphen Hole 7. So now that I've finally got to that section, I saved RB for last, the excellent scan you showed in this post will come in handy!!The pages also do RC (Future Delivery), RD (stock Transfer), including all the dated greens (RD67 - RD 372) and the RE (cordials, wines, etc.). I also have pages showing all the dated reds (R264 - R732). I'll never find all this stuff but at least I have spaces for all of it. All I have left to put in are my RB's and thanks to your scan of the "roulettes and holes" I can now give that an honest shot!! Thanks!!

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24 Jul 2023
10:35:23am
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@Harvey

Thank you.

Just for fun if you want to see lots of the RB's from the Battleship 1898 Series, check out "Battleship Desk Reference Version BDR2", by Robert Mustacich. Lots of information, scans of stamps and sometimes background information.

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24 Jul 2023
03:21:48pm
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Once you really know what to look for the small rectangular holes that signify hyphen holes are fairly easy to spot. They are not really more expensive so I'm wondering why they seem to be less common. I bought this set a little while ago to get the two I am missing and to my untrained eye there seems to be only one with the hyphen holes, the 10 cent. Am I right or out to lunch. There is one other I was considering but I won't say which one! Sorry the picture is so small but I think it's possible to tell the difference!
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24 Jul 2023
06:25:29pm
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@Harvey

My experience with Hyphen Hole the 40 cent is the hardest to get. The other vales can be found easy enough. I don't know why the Hyphen Holes are less common.

The Roulettes were used for 16 months.

The Hyphen Holes were used for 31 months.

The 40 cent (R170), there was never much demand for this value, either Rouletted or Hyphen Hole!

It would appear that the Rouletted should be less common, but it's the Hyphen Holes that is less common.

Go figure that one out, I have no idea why.

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24 May 2023
07:48:46pm

Who will be the first person to factual identify which Revenue Stamp was only printed for two days?


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25 May 2023
11:03:19am

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Perhaps this challenge is too hard, or no one really cares for this type of challenge.




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25 May 2023
11:27:43am

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Dear 1898,
Perhaps the "challenge" is too laser focused- I suspect that if the question were broadened to offer assistance to anyone who is into this area of collecting and needs a mentor to work with, you might get the response you're looking for.

On a broader note, perhaps gathering like minded folk into a subgroup in this area of collecting might also generate the comradery that is the hallmark of SOR.

Just saying!
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25 May 2023
12:28:50pm

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is too laser focused, I don't even know what this means.

Perhaps a hint would be in order, issued in 1898.

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25 May 2023
12:50:10pm

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@1898

Any hint as to which country it is from, or would that be giving it away?

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25 May 2023
01:26:24pm

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The problem is that you are an expert in a certain area and no one else has the same expertise. This is a relatively small group and there are no other people here who specialize in the same area to the same degree as you do. I know you are asking about a particular US revenue stamp but the only way I could ever hope to answer your question is by using Google and that probably wouldn't even work. Quizzes are a fantastic thing to promote interest but they have to be in an area where we have knowledge. I went to "member information" and searched "US Revenue" and only two names came up. And even that is a broad area so the chances that any of us could answer your question is minimal. Also very few people would have the amount of knowledge you have in that area, remember you have been collecting these stamps for over 60 years! Please try something a bit more general. I also collect US Revenues but have no way near the knowledge about them that you do.

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25 May 2023
01:35:01pm

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@auldstampguy or Tim

It was posted under "Show Topics " "United States BOB and Other", this sort of gives it away by my way of thinking.

Another hint: Documentary!


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25 May 2023
01:37:20pm

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Thank you! I knew you'd show up sooner or lated.

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25 May 2023
04:34:13pm

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I'm just going to make a guess and the only thing I can base it on is price. How about the $500 documentary stamp R133 that list at $17 500. It is an amazingly beautiful stamp and if I were a very rich person I'd love to own one. That and R132 are amazingly beautiful stamps with incredible engraving!

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25 May 2023
05:38:45pm

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I should have mentioned that anyone could afford to buy one if they could find one.

Answer: R161 1/2 cent orange. Printed only part of 2 days, then color changed to gray. Single used stamp affordable, on a document rare, single use on a document only 2 known so far.


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25 May 2023
05:58:44pm

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Thanks for the quiz and the information! That explains why I am missing that one, not real expensive but more than the others. Any idea why it changed colour?

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21 Jun 2023
08:10:04am

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I noticed this on line a couple days ago and it took me a little while to see what was wrong with it. I wasn't really considering it because of the shipping but the price was reasonable. Can anyone spot the problem? 1898, I know you'll spot it right away so hold off a bit and give the others a chance first!
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/275179323941
Hint: I'm not talking about the damage on the 4 cent stamp!

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21 Jun 2023
09:38:25am

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I see it!

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@1898 I knew you'd spot it, wait a day to give others a chance. This one really ticked me off because at first glance it would be easy to miss and I would say it was done on purpose by a seller who doesn't take returns! It's awful close to fraud even though the seller could always claim he/she didn't notice!

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21 Jun 2023
10:51:29am

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A question about the 4 cent. Since the damage is due to a cut cancel and cut cancels are always cheaper anyway would it even be considered to be damage? This is not the problem with the series that I am looking for!

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21 Jun 2023
11:44:16am

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The 4 cents stamp does not come under the Treasury Directive because it's under the threshold of 10 cents. So I would consider it damaged.

Reference your last posting I'm not sure what is meant " Remember this is not the problem with the series!", only the 10 Cent values and above used on and after 1 Dec 1900 (IAW the Treasury directive added the requirement of the 3 slits). If someone decides the 3 slits are makes the stamp damaged, then may I suggest crossing out or deleting your sentence!

My own experence (only my thinking) this is not a complete set (as you and I know), besides the price is way way too much, but of course the seller has the right to ask anything.

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21 Jun 2023
03:11:45pm

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"the price is way way too much"


You're right about that!! I still might have been tempted since I'd love to finish the series, but I really doubt if I would have paid that much!! I was just a bit fascinated about what the clown tried to get away with!!
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21 Jun 2023
05:07:02pm

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I agree the price is much too high, to say nothing of the shipping to Canada that would be added onto it. I presume the problem you are challenging us to find is that the advertised series is not fully represented since the first pictured stamp is the Proprietary series 3/8c instead of the Documentary 1/2c (both orange).

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21 Jun 2023
05:22:17pm

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That's it Tom!! And to me, since the seller went to the trouble of finding a stamp of the same colour, it was a deliberate attempt to defraud. Even if he doesn't take returns if someone was stupid enough to buy the "set" they should have a good reason to make a complaint and return it! I'm finding it much harder to buy on E-Bay with the ridiculous shipping prices and what some people expect to sell their stuff for!!

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21 Jun 2023
05:43:27pm

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@Harvey

Just for fun I looked at other stamps this seller is selling, and found a few errors in the description, which makes me think the seller is not being careful or just doesn't care!

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21 Jun 2023
06:26:09pm

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I figured out the 3/8c too. My question is - I know revenues are sometimes harder to find in nice condition than postage stamps. Several stamps in the lot look pretty ratty to me (ex: 40c) - is that typical condition?

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21 Jun 2023
06:57:22pm

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Proprietary revenue stamps used on medicine boxes were usually placed on the box flap and you had to tear the stamp when opening the box.

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13 Jul 2023
07:00:34pm

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I found a complete set of R161 to R172 including the two I was missing, the half cent orange and the 80 cent, for $20 USD and a very reasonable $3 shipping to Canada. I figured I was probably not going to do better than that so I jumped. I really don't mind giving away R162 to R171 to anyone who want's them. There will be no charge including shipping. But obviously the first one here who asks for them and you have to wait until I get them myself!! I'd prefer if you added them to your collection rather than resold them but it really doesn't matter too much. Also you have to take all 10!

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13 Jul 2023
08:09:52pm

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@Harvey

A complete set R161 - R172 for $23.00, wish I knew you wanted a set, I would have sent you a set for free.

Which set did you get the R's or P's or did you the complete set of R's and P's or was it a mixed set of R's and P's? Mint or used?

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13 Jul 2023
09:40:45pm

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1898 The ones I bought were the R's (Revenues), mostly used. I already had a complete set of the P's (Proprietaries). also mostly used! I usually end up with those type of stamps used since it shows a bit more history. I really didn't mind spending the $23 since the price was reasonable, but I do appreciate the offer. Have a great weekend and thanks!!
Edit: Just checking out the stamps, my copy of PB29 should be replaced but I can live with it for a while! Someone for some stupid reason cut around the design, not sure why. But it doesn't matter that much! I think those two series are two of my favourite revenue series. I'm not sure why but I really like the simple design and the great engraving.

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13 Jul 2023
10:48:24pm

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@Harvey

The R's are the Rouletted 5 1/2.

The P's are the Hyphen hole 7.

The R161-R172 set you mentioned are the Documentary and not the Proprietary stamps!

My offer was only for the Documentary stamps.

If you have the Scott Specialized Catalog you will see that these stamps performations (performation is the wrong word but I don't know what to call it) comes Rouletted 5 1/2 or Hyphen Hole 7.

Rouletted 5 1/2 used from July 1898 until late 1899.

Hyphen Hole used from late 1899 until June 1902.

Exact date of the change over from Rouletted to Hyphen Hole unknown (one thing I'm researching for years but I still don't know the date.)

The date was before the effected date of the Treasury Directive of December 1899.

So which R162-R172 are you getting, R's or P's (I suspect you will get R's as the P's usually cost more.

Are you getting mint or used? A used set should only cost less than $1.00.

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14 Jul 2023
11:38:29pm

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If it would help you understand the difference between thre R's and P's I could scan them so you would understand the right and proper way to tell the difference.

It would help others out there who don't understand the differences.

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16 Jul 2023
03:39:05am

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@Harvey

See the scan, hope this makes you understand what is meant by right and proper "R's" or "P's".

Here is a list of Scott Numbers for which values come with either R or P (some only come with R.)

R161R = Rouletted only
R162R = Rouletted only
R163R & R163P
R164R & R164P
R165R & R165P
R166R & R166P
R167R & R167P
R168R & R168P
R169R & R168P
R170R & R170P (R170P's are rare in pairs and blocks, rarely seen)
R171R & R171P
R172R & R172P

There are other Revenues of the 1898 Series that also have R's and P's, and others series related to the 1898 Series!

You should (just a suggestion) visit the library and burn the pages from the Scott catalog so you will know what to look for.

Albums I've seen do not mention the R's or P's and only have spaces for one each face value!

The 1898 Series and related series really demand a good Scott Catalog if you want the complete right and proper set!

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16 Jul 2023
08:24:11am

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Good post 1898. I think all of mine are rouletted but I'll have a proper look when I get back from breakfast.
I'm not going to turn this into a political statement but I travel the fringes of the nearby burned out area on my way to breakfast most mornings. A few of the houses are being started and in the wooded areas the first thing to come back are the ferns. And they are coming in with a vengeance!! I 'll be interested to see how long it takes for small shrubs to show up, I know when we went to Newfoundland during late Summer and early Fall recently burned areas were great for picking blue berries.

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16 Jul 2023
08:51:12am

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"Always show the reverse side!"



...someone once said....



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16 Jul 2023
09:45:36am

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@Harvey

How close did the fire come to where you live?

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16 Jul 2023
09:48:02am

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Who ever said that must be very smart, someone you could learn from.

Thank you for this!!!

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16 Jul 2023
10:00:21am

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@1898 Here is what my Scott's US Specialized says about the two series of stamps. " There are two styles of rouletting for the proprietary and the documentary stamps of the 1898 issue, the ordinary rouletting 5 1/2 and the one by which small rectangles of paper are cut out, usually called Hyphen-hole perforation 7. Several stamps are known with an apparent roulette 14 caused by the slippage of a hyphen-hole 7 rouletting wheel". Do you have any of those? In Scott's they name the regular rouletting with just the R code and the hyphen-hole with an R code with the stamp # and then a "p". I have never differentiated between the two probably because my Harris album only showed one series. I do have a few of the "p code" stamps and will number them appropriately. Thanks for setting me straight, it's always great to have experts around and I have learned a great deal since joining SOR. And what I have learned always ends up in little side pursuits that usually cost money. Now I not only want R161 to R172 and RB20 to RB31 but also R163p to R172p and RB20p to RB31p. Used is fine and most are fairly cheap, thankfully!! I'll just have to keep my eyes open!

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16 Jul 2023
10:38:45am

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@Harvey

You asked "Do you have any of those?", you are referring to what we call "HH".

Yes I have a few, this is really just a production by product. For what ever reason, the rotary performation machine was not set up correctly, the HH only occurs on the P's stamps, I show you a few if you want to see them. Let me know.

Forest fire, I fought a forrest fire when I lived in Mich. Lucky my secret fishig spot was not affected.

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24 Jul 2023
10:22:40am

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!898 A year or so ago I bought a bunch of pages for US revenue stamps since my back of book for my Harris Album does a very poor job with most of it, except for the early revenue material. They do a much better and more complete job with RB code (proprietary stamps), it even splits the battleship series (RB20 - RB31) up into the Rouletted 5 1/2 and the Perforated Hyphen Hole 7. So now that I've finally got to that section, I saved RB for last, the excellent scan you showed in this post will come in handy!!The pages also do RC (Future Delivery), RD (stock Transfer), including all the dated greens (RD67 - RD 372) and the RE (cordials, wines, etc.). I also have pages showing all the dated reds (R264 - R732). I'll never find all this stuff but at least I have spaces for all of it. All I have left to put in are my RB's and thanks to your scan of the "roulettes and holes" I can now give that an honest shot!! Thanks!!

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24 Jul 2023
10:35:23am

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@Harvey

Thank you.

Just for fun if you want to see lots of the RB's from the Battleship 1898 Series, check out "Battleship Desk Reference Version BDR2", by Robert Mustacich. Lots of information, scans of stamps and sometimes background information.

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24 Jul 2023
03:21:48pm

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Once you really know what to look for the small rectangular holes that signify hyphen holes are fairly easy to spot. They are not really more expensive so I'm wondering why they seem to be less common. I bought this set a little while ago to get the two I am missing and to my untrained eye there seems to be only one with the hyphen holes, the 10 cent. Am I right or out to lunch. There is one other I was considering but I won't say which one! Sorry the picture is so small but I think it's possible to tell the difference!
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24 Jul 2023
06:25:29pm

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@Harvey

My experience with Hyphen Hole the 40 cent is the hardest to get. The other vales can be found easy enough. I don't know why the Hyphen Holes are less common.

The Roulettes were used for 16 months.

The Hyphen Holes were used for 31 months.

The 40 cent (R170), there was never much demand for this value, either Rouletted or Hyphen Hole!

It would appear that the Rouletted should be less common, but it's the Hyphen Holes that is less common.

Go figure that one out, I have no idea why.

1898

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