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United States/BOB & Other : United States & Pacific Express Company

 

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1898

19 May 2023
09:15:56pm
I'm looking for background information on this above named company.

All I know is the name of this company, and that it was in businessn in 1899, maybe longer?
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michael78651

19 May 2023
09:34:02pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

I think you have two different companies in your name:

Pacific Express Company

United States Express Company


PACIFIC EXPRESS
1879-1911 or 1913

Regional private mail and package express company operating primarily west of the Mississippi

Formed from the Kansas Pacific and Union Pacific Express Companies and developed a strong business liaison with the United States Express Company to provide trans-continental express service.

Liquidated late in 1911 when Wells Fargo & Co. took over its remaining express routes?
-- OR --
Bought 1914 by American Express as a result of 1913 Parcel Post Law.


UNITED STATES EXPRESS COMPANY
started 1854

ceased operation 1914 due to Parcel Post Law


https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstoc ...

These are railroad parcel subsidiary companies that facilitated transport by rail of parcels across the nation in the 19th and very early 20th centuries. They are predessors of what later became the Railroad Express Agency.

The text above can be found in the provided link.

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1898

19 May 2023
10:52:06pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@michael78651

The above words were found on a revenue stamp!

I have all the information you provided already, was looking for specific to the words in the subject line!

Thanks

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1898

20 May 2023
06:38:04pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Let me try this again.

The words on the subject line are on a revenue stamp and I'm helping a friend to locate any factual background information on this company, does any other member have this information?

I don't own this stamp so I can't show you the stamp with cancel involved.

If you need to see the stamp and cancel in question see the website "1898Revenues" and search in the usual way for "Cancel for April 19: U. S and Pacific Express Company"

Please stay on topic.

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21 May 2023
08:05:23am

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re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Try this web page:

"https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/dictionary/express_companies.htm"



It indicates: UNITED STATES EXPRESS COMPANY
started 1854

ceased operation 1914 due to Parcel Post Law

and that is all it says.

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1898

21 May 2023
12:26:21pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@mbo1142

I'd seen this site before, it does not mention the company in question!

Thanks anyway

1898

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1898

21 May 2023
12:29:51pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@sheepshanks

You should have followed my directions mentioned in my posting "20 May 2023 06:38:04PM", but thanks anyway.

1898

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1898

21 May 2023
01:29:07pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@sheepshanks

I just tried it myself and it went directly to it, I don't know what happened when you tried it, again sorry it did not work for you!

I could not post the image as I was waiting for permission from the website owner, in fact I'm still waiting, but you must have gotten permision faster than I did (I'm still waiting) good job!

1898

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1898

21 May 2023
05:49:48pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Perhaps it's time to get back on topic!

Posting the actual image of the stamp cancel really does nothing for the background information!

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1898

21 May 2023
10:46:33pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

I found a partial reference, but as you can see it refers to just one company and not two as was suggested. Suggesting it was two companies really did not make much sense!

This offers an audit trail for more back ground information, but its late night and I worked hard today, will pick up the audit trail sometime Monday!


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1898

22 May 2023
06:46:47pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Who and why was the scan of the cancel removed?

I still have not received permission from the website owner to post a scan of the stamp and cancel in question.

The subject line has all the words on the cancel, why not just read the subject line???

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Terry
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23 May 2023
11:46:41am
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@1898
The reference in your posting of 21 May 2023 10:46:33pm indicates that there were two separate "companies". In my opinion, your query may have been answered by @michal78651's post of 19 May 12023 09:34:02pm. The creation of the Pacific Express Company included "a strong business liaison with the United States Express Company", and that may be the source of the issued revenue stamp cancel.

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1898

23 May 2023
12:05:10pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@Terry

Good morning.

There was only one company, suggest you read the subject line which contains all the words on the cancel!

I was looking for background information on this company.

Do you have any background information for this one company?



Thanks

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Terry
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23 May 2023
12:50:58pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Our suggestion is that the cancel did not represent a single company, but rather indicated the strong liaison between the two companies. I refer you again to the "Partial reference" that you quoted back on May 21st ...

"three of which he served as route agent for the Untied States and Pacific Express Companies"

That is "Companies" = plural. Two separate companies...

Just our 2 cents worth.

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23 May 2023
01:23:00pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

I deleted my posts because they seemed not to be helpful in your query.

"Perhaps it's time to get back on topic!

Posting the actual image of the stamp cancel really does nothing for the background information!"



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1898

23 May 2023
01:28:12pm
re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@sheepshanks

Thank you!

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1898

19 May 2023
09:15:56pm

I'm looking for background information on this above named company.

All I know is the name of this company, and that it was in businessn in 1899, maybe longer?

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michael78651

19 May 2023
09:34:02pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

I think you have two different companies in your name:

Pacific Express Company

United States Express Company


PACIFIC EXPRESS
1879-1911 or 1913

Regional private mail and package express company operating primarily west of the Mississippi

Formed from the Kansas Pacific and Union Pacific Express Companies and developed a strong business liaison with the United States Express Company to provide trans-continental express service.

Liquidated late in 1911 when Wells Fargo & Co. took over its remaining express routes?
-- OR --
Bought 1914 by American Express as a result of 1913 Parcel Post Law.


UNITED STATES EXPRESS COMPANY
started 1854

ceased operation 1914 due to Parcel Post Law


https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstoc ...

These are railroad parcel subsidiary companies that facilitated transport by rail of parcels across the nation in the 19th and very early 20th centuries. They are predessors of what later became the Railroad Express Agency.

The text above can be found in the provided link.

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1898

19 May 2023
10:52:06pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@michael78651

The above words were found on a revenue stamp!

I have all the information you provided already, was looking for specific to the words in the subject line!

Thanks

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1898

20 May 2023
06:38:04pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Let me try this again.

The words on the subject line are on a revenue stamp and I'm helping a friend to locate any factual background information on this company, does any other member have this information?

I don't own this stamp so I can't show you the stamp with cancel involved.

If you need to see the stamp and cancel in question see the website "1898Revenues" and search in the usual way for "Cancel for April 19: U. S and Pacific Express Company"

Please stay on topic.

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mbo1142

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21 May 2023
08:05:23am

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re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Try this web page:

"https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/dictionary/express_companies.htm"



It indicates: UNITED STATES EXPRESS COMPANY
started 1854

ceased operation 1914 due to Parcel Post Law

and that is all it says.

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1898

21 May 2023
12:26:21pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@mbo1142

I'd seen this site before, it does not mention the company in question!

Thanks anyway

1898

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1898

21 May 2023
12:29:51pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@sheepshanks

You should have followed my directions mentioned in my posting "20 May 2023 06:38:04PM", but thanks anyway.

1898

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1898

21 May 2023
01:29:07pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@sheepshanks

I just tried it myself and it went directly to it, I don't know what happened when you tried it, again sorry it did not work for you!

I could not post the image as I was waiting for permission from the website owner, in fact I'm still waiting, but you must have gotten permision faster than I did (I'm still waiting) good job!

1898

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1898

21 May 2023
05:49:48pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Perhaps it's time to get back on topic!

Posting the actual image of the stamp cancel really does nothing for the background information!

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1898

21 May 2023
10:46:33pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

I found a partial reference, but as you can see it refers to just one company and not two as was suggested. Suggesting it was two companies really did not make much sense!

This offers an audit trail for more back ground information, but its late night and I worked hard today, will pick up the audit trail sometime Monday!


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1898

22 May 2023
06:46:47pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Who and why was the scan of the cancel removed?

I still have not received permission from the website owner to post a scan of the stamp and cancel in question.

The subject line has all the words on the cancel, why not just read the subject line???

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Terry

23 May 2023
11:46:41am

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@1898
The reference in your posting of 21 May 2023 10:46:33pm indicates that there were two separate "companies". In my opinion, your query may have been answered by @michal78651's post of 19 May 12023 09:34:02pm. The creation of the Pacific Express Company included "a strong business liaison with the United States Express Company", and that may be the source of the issued revenue stamp cancel.

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1898

23 May 2023
12:05:10pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@Terry

Good morning.

There was only one company, suggest you read the subject line which contains all the words on the cancel!

I was looking for background information on this company.

Do you have any background information for this one company?



Thanks

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Terry

23 May 2023
12:50:58pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

Our suggestion is that the cancel did not represent a single company, but rather indicated the strong liaison between the two companies. I refer you again to the "Partial reference" that you quoted back on May 21st ...

"three of which he served as route agent for the Untied States and Pacific Express Companies"

That is "Companies" = plural. Two separate companies...

Just our 2 cents worth.

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sheepshanks

23 May 2023
01:23:00pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

I deleted my posts because they seemed not to be helpful in your query.

"Perhaps it's time to get back on topic!

Posting the actual image of the stamp cancel really does nothing for the background information!"



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1898

23 May 2023
01:28:12pm

re: United States & Pacific Express Company

@sheepshanks

Thank you!

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