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05 Apr 2023
12:45:55pm
I’m experimenting with something new in one of my most recent approval books - I omitted some of the most extremely common issues unless there was an exceptional cancel or other interesting feature. I put them in the charity box instead.

I know that sometimes common issues can be difficult to find. But the stamps I’m talking about are the REALLY common definitives and a few Christmas issues. I don’t think I’ve ever sold any singles for issues like those - they always end up left over unless they are in a mixture or packet.

So what do you think? Would you prefer to browse through a book that skips those or would you rather have them included?
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05 Apr 2023
01:45:48pm
re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

And as soon as you do that, someone will post that they are looking for such a stamp. Murphy's Law.

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05 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Something to bear in mind is the fact that what may be common in one area may not be elsewhere.
I have lots of gaps for common, minimum value stamps that rarely show up for sale. Modern used French precancels are among them and I'm not going to get into used Litho copies of Hong Kong QE2 1997 definitives. Sure many of them are available mint, but try finding them used.
A glance at our sales offerings shows just what a proliferation of mint stamps are sitting around in drawers and collections. (including mine!)

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05 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Mentioning mint stamps reclining in boxes, folders, dealers store rooms and our duplicates boxes has me wondering just what the value of Machins returned to Royal Mail for swap outs will total at the finish.
That of course will not include those residing in our collections.

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05 Apr 2023
05:42:22pm
re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

I think we sometimes over-think what we (and others) put up for sale and offer ideas/rules that fit our MO, but perhaps not everyones.

I’m happy buying and selling what I like with who I like. And having buyers buy what they like from me.

And I don’t fret that sometimes folks buy the same stamp at 10c from someone else that I have listed at 4c.

I sometimes fear that God (and my wife) controls my life more than I’d like to admit, so I find it difficult to tell others what to do.

Just me. No disrespect to anyone’s contrary opinion.



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05 Apr 2023
06:07:52pm
re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

You’ve made a good point, David. If I don’t want to waste my time putting stamps into an approval book that have an extremely low chance of selling then that’s exactly what I should do. There are lots of other sellers offering most of these anyways so I highly doubt that the scenario Michael mentioned will ever arise. I’m perfectly content to let other sellers handle those rare sales. The stamps sent to the charity will mostly be sent to beginner collectors who might actually need them so that’s a win/win.

But if any of our Buyers have any thoughts on the subject I’m still interested to hear from them.


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06 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

It may be super common, but with a rare usage cancel!

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06 Apr 2023
11:35:15am

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Philatelia

In answer to your question re common stamps. What is common?

NOBODY here on Stamporama can predict with certainty what will sell, when it will sell, what price it will sell at simply because there are too few members here on Stamporama. Members here collect what THEY want over a wide and in some cases eclectic areas so prediction is nigh on impossible.

Whether I can be bothered to scribe, number or value individual stamps is MY decision, whether I include common stamps is MY decision. What I price items at is MY decision. Whether members buy my items is THEIR decision. I have no control over THEIR decisions.

To save me time and effort I list what I have in duplicates. Any item that does not sell here is put in a Bankers Box and sold at my local auction house.

(Modified by Moderator on 2023-04-07 07:04:42)

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06 Apr 2023
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Sometimes when I am putting together approval books - I get tired of seeing some of the "real" common material and I have been putting those stamps aside for donation. It depends on how a feel on the day I am creating a new book. However. it surprised me when someone selects a real common stamp - so I guess you may never know. What really gets me is someone who purchases a single common stamp from my Hipstamp store for 15 cents and is willing to pay the shipping fee for it. I gave up trying second guess anything anymore !! Steve

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07 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Moderator note: I cleaned up the thread to remove any content/discussion not directly related to the original topic. Since it had no philatelic value, it was not moved elsewhere.

Thanks for your understanding.




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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

So now we are being treated like little children.

Censorship at it's worst - will have to think long and hard about renewal. We are not children and should be allowed to a bit of dissent once in awhile. This is like participation trophies. Oops - I suppose someone could take that as political statement

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07 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

"I cleaned up the thread to remove any content/discussion not directly related to the original topic. "


I have no objection to cleaning out objectionable material - super political, non - PC, etc. But the fun of this site is the ability to roam off topic a bit. Something someone says might remind us of something else. For example, the occasional cartoon I might post, one of my silly stories, Ian's interesting side line journeys into a dark realm, etc. To say you take everything out that is "off topic" might be going a bit far. Of course, I can't really remember all that was here, so maybe all of it was objectionable! I'll give the sensors the benefit of the doubt, for now!
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07 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Our discussion board moderators devote HOURS of their time, almost daily, completely VOLUNTARILY. Sometimes they have to make decisions to try to preserve the philatelic content of a thread that veered into rules violations. To do so, the only tool they have at their disposal is their best judgement. It can be an extremely uncomfortable job.

THANK YOU, moderators, for all that you do for Stamporama.

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07 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

"Since it had no philatelic value, it was not moved elsewhere."



I think that discussions about the rules are appropriate. Since an allegation of a rules violation was made on this thread. It seems appropriate to ask for clarification on the same thread, even if not on the original topic. If not in the same thread, then where? I still do not know what rule was violated. I have carefully reviewed the discussion board rules and the Code of Conduct and I cannot find the alleged violation.
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07 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

These are the "get out" clauses for items being removed or censored by a moderator.


From "New User Info" listed on the Home Page "Discussion Board" Section


"3. Choosing a Discussion Title and a Fitting Topic/Sub-Topic

The Discussion Board is provided for the purpose of discussion of philately and issues related to Stamporama. Discussions not related directly to stamp collecting or Stamporama except for the "Other Hobby and Collectable Interests" topic will be removed."



"4. Other Do's and Don'ts

This is a family oriented, moderated discussion board. Abusive or otherwise inappropriate postings are not tolerated and will be immediately deleted by a moderator. The purpose of the discussion board is to facilitate philatelic discussion and interaction between members"




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The wording in 3. needs to be changed as we do not have a "Other Hobby and Collectable Interests" topic. It should read "Non-Philatelic Discussion".

If one feels that there is something amiss with Stamporama re rules etc etc then the point can be made in the "Stamporama Club Business: Member Comments and Suggestions" section.

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07 Apr 2023
11:16:28am
re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

There are off topic thread areas so comments in this thread are subject to removal that are off topic. They derail the thread as it did.

Posters need to avoid politically charged labels since it causes some undesirable discussions so keep this thread on topic and not meta discussion on moderation, etc

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angore.

May I suggest that the "incorrect" posts be moved under a new heading of "Moderation" in the "Stamporama Club Business: Member Comments and Suggestions" section of the discussion board.

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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

"May I suggest that the "incorrect" posts be moved under a new heading of "Moderation" in the "Stamporama Club Business: Member Comments and Suggestions" section of the discussion board."



as opposed to being destroyed. Why destroy what was a civil conversation that exemplified what was supposed to happen with disagreements. This is hopefully not becoming a dictatorship like Stampboards.
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10 Apr 2023
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I haven't sold on Stamporama in eons, but note that I've listed a bunch of stuff on eBay that I wonder why I'm wasting my time... of course that's the stuff that sells instantly! Big Grin

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I had recently purchased a Scott's US singles album for used issues to play with. Trying to obtain material to fill the pages is a challenge. Don't want to spend 99 cents plus postage for a common used 8 cent commemorative, I find SOR has several members who offer mixed US used singles at 4-10 cents each. It is fun to search for those stamps again after 50-60 years! I already have them in my other albums but now I'm working on duplicating my duplicates. Theresa help a lot by offering used US mixtures through the approval division. Love those common an inexpensive approvals!

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14 Apr 2023
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I must have a million stamps to list. I don't have time to list super common stamps, wouldn't want to anyway. there's a dealer on Hipstamp that lists 500 or more of 100's of super common stamps (example -1954 4c Lincoln). That's their prerogative but what a waste of time, in my opinion. If a dealer wants to list them that's up to them. what's even worse though, is a super common stamp on paper.

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26 Jun 2023
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Yay

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26 Jun 2023
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Tad, check out the Classified Ads Freebies Topic.

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26 Jun 2023
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The term "super common" is undefined.

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05 Apr 2023
12:45:55pm

I’m experimenting with something new in one of my most recent approval books - I omitted some of the most extremely common issues unless there was an exceptional cancel or other interesting feature. I put them in the charity box instead.

I know that sometimes common issues can be difficult to find. But the stamps I’m talking about are the REALLY common definitives and a few Christmas issues. I don’t think I’ve ever sold any singles for issues like those - they always end up left over unless they are in a mixture or packet.

So what do you think? Would you prefer to browse through a book that skips those or would you rather have them included?

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05 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

And as soon as you do that, someone will post that they are looking for such a stamp. Murphy's Law.

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05 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Something to bear in mind is the fact that what may be common in one area may not be elsewhere.
I have lots of gaps for common, minimum value stamps that rarely show up for sale. Modern used French precancels are among them and I'm not going to get into used Litho copies of Hong Kong QE2 1997 definitives. Sure many of them are available mint, but try finding them used.
A glance at our sales offerings shows just what a proliferation of mint stamps are sitting around in drawers and collections. (including mine!)

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05 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Mentioning mint stamps reclining in boxes, folders, dealers store rooms and our duplicates boxes has me wondering just what the value of Machins returned to Royal Mail for swap outs will total at the finish.
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05 Apr 2023
05:42:22pm

re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

I think we sometimes over-think what we (and others) put up for sale and offer ideas/rules that fit our MO, but perhaps not everyones.

I’m happy buying and selling what I like with who I like. And having buyers buy what they like from me.

And I don’t fret that sometimes folks buy the same stamp at 10c from someone else that I have listed at 4c.

I sometimes fear that God (and my wife) controls my life more than I’d like to admit, so I find it difficult to tell others what to do.

Just me. No disrespect to anyone’s contrary opinion.



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05 Apr 2023
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

You’ve made a good point, David. If I don’t want to waste my time putting stamps into an approval book that have an extremely low chance of selling then that’s exactly what I should do. There are lots of other sellers offering most of these anyways so I highly doubt that the scenario Michael mentioned will ever arise. I’m perfectly content to let other sellers handle those rare sales. The stamps sent to the charity will mostly be sent to beginner collectors who might actually need them so that’s a win/win.

But if any of our Buyers have any thoughts on the subject I’m still interested to hear from them.


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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

It may be super common, but with a rare usage cancel!

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Philatelia

In answer to your question re common stamps. What is common?

NOBODY here on Stamporama can predict with certainty what will sell, when it will sell, what price it will sell at simply because there are too few members here on Stamporama. Members here collect what THEY want over a wide and in some cases eclectic areas so prediction is nigh on impossible.

Whether I can be bothered to scribe, number or value individual stamps is MY decision, whether I include common stamps is MY decision. What I price items at is MY decision. Whether members buy my items is THEIR decision. I have no control over THEIR decisions.

To save me time and effort I list what I have in duplicates. Any item that does not sell here is put in a Bankers Box and sold at my local auction house.

(Modified by Moderator on 2023-04-07 07:04:42)

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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Sometimes when I am putting together approval books - I get tired of seeing some of the "real" common material and I have been putting those stamps aside for donation. It depends on how a feel on the day I am creating a new book. However. it surprised me when someone selects a real common stamp - so I guess you may never know. What really gets me is someone who purchases a single common stamp from my Hipstamp store for 15 cents and is willing to pay the shipping fee for it. I gave up trying second guess anything anymore !! Steve

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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Moderator note: I cleaned up the thread to remove any content/discussion not directly related to the original topic. Since it had no philatelic value, it was not moved elsewhere.

Thanks for your understanding.




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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

So now we are being treated like little children.

Censorship at it's worst - will have to think long and hard about renewal. We are not children and should be allowed to a bit of dissent once in awhile. This is like participation trophies. Oops - I suppose someone could take that as political statement

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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

"I cleaned up the thread to remove any content/discussion not directly related to the original topic. "


I have no objection to cleaning out objectionable material - super political, non - PC, etc. But the fun of this site is the ability to roam off topic a bit. Something someone says might remind us of something else. For example, the occasional cartoon I might post, one of my silly stories, Ian's interesting side line journeys into a dark realm, etc. To say you take everything out that is "off topic" might be going a bit far. Of course, I can't really remember all that was here, so maybe all of it was objectionable! I'll give the sensors the benefit of the doubt, for now!
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Our discussion board moderators devote HOURS of their time, almost daily, completely VOLUNTARILY. Sometimes they have to make decisions to try to preserve the philatelic content of a thread that veered into rules violations. To do so, the only tool they have at their disposal is their best judgement. It can be an extremely uncomfortable job.

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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

"Since it had no philatelic value, it was not moved elsewhere."



I think that discussions about the rules are appropriate. Since an allegation of a rules violation was made on this thread. It seems appropriate to ask for clarification on the same thread, even if not on the original topic. If not in the same thread, then where? I still do not know what rule was violated. I have carefully reviewed the discussion board rules and the Code of Conduct and I cannot find the alleged violation.
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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

These are the "get out" clauses for items being removed or censored by a moderator.


From "New User Info" listed on the Home Page "Discussion Board" Section


"3. Choosing a Discussion Title and a Fitting Topic/Sub-Topic

The Discussion Board is provided for the purpose of discussion of philately and issues related to Stamporama. Discussions not related directly to stamp collecting or Stamporama except for the "Other Hobby and Collectable Interests" topic will be removed."



"4. Other Do's and Don'ts

This is a family oriented, moderated discussion board. Abusive or otherwise inappropriate postings are not tolerated and will be immediately deleted by a moderator. The purpose of the discussion board is to facilitate philatelic discussion and interaction between members"




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The wording in 3. needs to be changed as we do not have a "Other Hobby and Collectable Interests" topic. It should read "Non-Philatelic Discussion".

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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

There are off topic thread areas so comments in this thread are subject to removal that are off topic. They derail the thread as it did.

Posters need to avoid politically charged labels since it causes some undesirable discussions so keep this thread on topic and not meta discussion on moderation, etc

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May I suggest that the "incorrect" posts be moved under a new heading of "Moderation" in the "Stamporama Club Business: Member Comments and Suggestions" section of the discussion board.

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"May I suggest that the "incorrect" posts be moved under a new heading of "Moderation" in the "Stamporama Club Business: Member Comments and Suggestions" section of the discussion board."



as opposed to being destroyed. Why destroy what was a civil conversation that exemplified what was supposed to happen with disagreements. This is hopefully not becoming a dictatorship like Stampboards.
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I haven't sold on Stamporama in eons, but note that I've listed a bunch of stuff on eBay that I wonder why I'm wasting my time... of course that's the stuff that sells instantly! Big Grin

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I had recently purchased a Scott's US singles album for used issues to play with. Trying to obtain material to fill the pages is a challenge. Don't want to spend 99 cents plus postage for a common used 8 cent commemorative, I find SOR has several members who offer mixed US used singles at 4-10 cents each. It is fun to search for those stamps again after 50-60 years! I already have them in my other albums but now I'm working on duplicating my duplicates. Theresa help a lot by offering used US mixtures through the approval division. Love those common an inexpensive approvals!

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Stampaholic

26 Jun 2023
09:38:15am

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re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

I must have a million stamps to list. I don't have time to list super common stamps, wouldn't want to anyway. there's a dealer on Hipstamp that lists 500 or more of 100's of super common stamps (example -1954 4c Lincoln). That's their prerogative but what a waste of time, in my opinion. If a dealer wants to list them that's up to them. what's even worse though, is a super common stamp on paper.

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26 Jun 2023
11:36:52am

re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Yay

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michael78651

26 Jun 2023
05:21:10pm

re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

Tad, check out the Classified Ads Freebies Topic.

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hfbaker

26 Jun 2023
10:57:49pm

re: Omitting super common from Approval books? Yay or nay?

The term "super common" is undefined.

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