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07 Mar 2023
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07 Mar 2023
06:50:58pm
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

There is a fairly detailed description for the first stamp (Bolivia 1960) following the Scott listing for Sc#433-450. The stamps with surcharge were used for mail (both regular and air mail). What was interesting to me were the stamps issued without the o/p. I remember picking up a few from "Siem" some time ago in an Approval book. Curious if all the stamps were issued without the o/p, as I only have a handful.
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07 Mar 2023
07:22:13pm
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The 4th stamp from the bottom, the purple-ish stamp with the telegraph machine and symbols, is Japan 604.

The 2019 Scott catalog value used is $0.55, but it looks like your example has some trimmed perfs towards the top on both the left and right sides.

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07 Mar 2023
08:08:07pm
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The first one you show, the Tiahuanaca overprinted issue issued by Bolivia in 1960, was originally produced in 1925, but not issued then. Could it have been because the actual values were so hard to see that they feared confusion across the country! At all events, the stamps were kept but only issued for use as air mail stamps 35 years later. Gibbons says they then had a problem because the overprint didn't specify that they were for air mail use. Anyway, I think the design was strikingly ahead of its time - very distinctive for 1925. Is there anything like it?

Of the original 1925 version, I have 13 little stamps and the splendid big one that you show. Of the overprinted ones I have only 7 little ones and the big one. All except one overprint are mint, of course.

Sorry, abstractist, but I know nix about the other items you show.


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07 Mar 2023
08:34:49pm
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

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Netherlands
Series:
Sport Stamps - 1980
Catalog codes:
Michel NL 1163
Stamp Number NL 601
Yvert et Tellier NL 1133
Stanley Gibbons NL 1340
AFA number NL 1166
NVPH NL 1202
Themes:
Playing Cards | Sports
Issued on:
1980-06-03
Expiry date:
2013-11-01
Size:
25 x 36.5 mm
Colors:
Multicolor
Watermark:
No Watermark
Designers:
Hans Kruit
Printers:
Joh. Enschedé
Format:
Stamp
Emission:
Commemorative
Perforation:
comb12¾ x 14
Printing:
Offset lithography
Paper:
phosphorescent paper
Face value:
50 c - Dutch cent
Print run:
13,752,954
Score:
8% Accuracy: Very High
Related items:
Philatelic Product (Related): Sportstamps 1980 (Netherlands, Netherlands)
Description:
Bridge players and cards.
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07 Mar 2023
08:44:35pm
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Mi:JP 636, Sn:JP 604, Yt:JP 559, Sg:JP 732, Sak:JP C247
Themes:
Anniversaries and Jubilees | Technology | Telecommunication | Telegraphy
Issued on:
1954-10-13
Size:
26 x 30 mm
Colors:
Plum
Format:
Stamp
Emission:
Commemorative
Perforation:
13½
Printing:
Recess
Face value:
5 ¥ - Japanese yen
Print run:
3,000,000
Score:
73% Accuracy: High
Description:
The International Telecommunication Union (ITU), originally the International Telegraph Union, is a

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07 Mar 2023
09:02:11pm
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

Philippines revenue stamp issued around. 1888

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08 Mar 2023
02:53:20am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The stamp inscribed (in part) 'Naljepnica' is a 1945 Military Post Stamp from Croatia with an interesting story.

https://worldstampsproject.org/croatian- ...

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08 Mar 2023
03:10:11am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The other Croatia item showing Cardinal Stepinac (google him) was produced by the Croatian Franciscan Fathers in the USA, most likely as a fund raiser. There are many types and they are often mistaken as being issued by the 'Government in Exile'.

I also see a Cape Verde Registered label and directly beneath that a Customs label, probably German or Swiss. The next item shown (under the 'Zoll-Douane' label) is a tab or gutter from a Czech stamp or sheet but the exact issue escapes me.

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08 Mar 2023
03:59:06am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The second stamp down is a 1945 Spanish Cinderella, possibly issued to raise funds. It is a 90th anniversary college item depicting David Edward Hughes, the British-American inventor and professor of music. The stamp is inscribed 'not for post or telegraph use' which may give a clue as why values were added.
As far as I know there are 4 different values, possibly more and colours too. Can be found overprinted with 'Cueta' or 'Melilla', Spanish autonomous cities in North Africa. Another clue as to the values perhaps ?

I also see a stamp showing 4 hands, an anti-TB stamp from India maybe ? So it's Pakistan, sorry !!

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08 Mar 2023
04:07:42am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The ten paisa with hands is a Pakistan label.

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08 Mar 2023
04:14:25am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The 1990 International Literacy Year label belongs to the Czechoslovakian 1k 1990 issue of the same name

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08 Mar 2023
04:16:28am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The label with the hands and crescent appears to be a charity label from the Pakistan National Tuberculosis Association (PNTA).

The Czech tab is from this se-tenant pair:

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The orange and brown label was for collecting funds for orphans of the telegraph service in Spain.

The other two Spanish labels similarly refer to orphans of the postal service and have been overprinted with the Spanish arms of the time.


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08 Mar 2023
04:22:47am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The stamp under the Philippine revenue is an 1871 Hungarian Newspaper Stamp.

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Calstamp

08 Mar 2023
06:46:06am
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Abstractist...

Thanks for sharing the interesting selection of stamps, labels, etc. My comments pertain to the second, third, and fourth items.

#2. One of thousands of "Beneficiencia" (charity) stamps/labels issued during the 1930/40s in Spain.

Londonbus' comments are spot on. Issued in 1945 to raise funds (supposedly) for the orphans of telegraph workers. The figure depicted is David Edward Hughes, who in 1855 held a patent for a printing telegraph machine.

Believe this is one of an annual issue. It had no postal value. Produced in both perforated (saw-tooth) as well as imperforate versions. Have seen examples overprinted Melilla, Tanger, and Ceuta (enclaves in No Africa).

#3 and #4. Also "charity" issues. Part of a five-issue set released in 1938 featuring the work of renown Spanish painter Diego Velazquez.

Perf 10, lithograph. The 5c issue (Edifil NE 35) is "Apollo in the Forge of Vulcan" (1630), the 10c (Edifil NE 36) "Los Borrachos" (The Drinkers) (1628).

Both paintings are in The Prado (one of the top four imperial art museums in the world). Your examples are from 1941, when the five-stamp series was overprinted as shown.

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Calstamp

08 Mar 2023
06:56:58am
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Believe #8 is Brazil. 1893. "Liberty Head". Scott 111. Several perforation varieties.


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08 Mar 2023
07:18:42am
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#16. Final item.

Believe the origin is Poland. Believe it is from a painting entitled "Weeping Woman".

The portrait is believed to be that of Dora Maar, the mistress and muse of a painter known as Picasso. Or some such name.

The artist produced several versions of this painting, all similarly named.

Happy to be corrected.

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08 Mar 2023
08:08:07am
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What a wonderful discussion-SOR at its best.
Thanks to you all.
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08 Mar 2023
08:30:21am
re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The Polish label was issued se-tenant with a 10th March 1981 stamp for Picasso's birth centenary, both in sheet form (SG 2719) and in miniature sheets (SG MS2720).

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08 Mar 2023
11:43:52am
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Thank you, thank you, thank you one and all. I kinda of thought the bottom stamp had something to do with Pablo Picasso.
And I had searched for many days to find any information about any of the other stamps. the stamp from Spain that did not have a sister city over print I have a few others that do have the cities on them.


Again thank you one and all!

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Calstamp

08 Mar 2023
01:52:53pm
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Good exchange of information.

Now its time for another SOR member to post a selection of their "imponderables".

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07 Mar 2023
06:50:58pm

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

There is a fairly detailed description for the first stamp (Bolivia 1960) following the Scott listing for Sc#433-450. The stamps with surcharge were used for mail (both regular and air mail). What was interesting to me were the stamps issued without the o/p. I remember picking up a few from "Siem" some time ago in an Approval book. Curious if all the stamps were issued without the o/p, as I only have a handful.
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07 Mar 2023
07:22:13pm

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The 4th stamp from the bottom, the purple-ish stamp with the telegraph machine and symbols, is Japan 604.

The 2019 Scott catalog value used is $0.55, but it looks like your example has some trimmed perfs towards the top on both the left and right sides.

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07 Mar 2023
08:08:07pm

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The first one you show, the Tiahuanaca overprinted issue issued by Bolivia in 1960, was originally produced in 1925, but not issued then. Could it have been because the actual values were so hard to see that they feared confusion across the country! At all events, the stamps were kept but only issued for use as air mail stamps 35 years later. Gibbons says they then had a problem because the overprint didn't specify that they were for air mail use. Anyway, I think the design was strikingly ahead of its time - very distinctive for 1925. Is there anything like it?

Of the original 1925 version, I have 13 little stamps and the splendid big one that you show. Of the overprinted ones I have only 7 little ones and the big one. All except one overprint are mint, of course.

Sorry, abstractist, but I know nix about the other items you show.


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bobgggg

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07 Mar 2023
08:34:49pm

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

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Netherlands
Series:
Sport Stamps - 1980
Catalog codes:
Michel NL 1163
Stamp Number NL 601
Yvert et Tellier NL 1133
Stanley Gibbons NL 1340
AFA number NL 1166
NVPH NL 1202
Themes:
Playing Cards | Sports
Issued on:
1980-06-03
Expiry date:
2013-11-01
Size:
25 x 36.5 mm
Colors:
Multicolor
Watermark:
No Watermark
Designers:
Hans Kruit
Printers:
Joh. Enschedé
Format:
Stamp
Emission:
Commemorative
Perforation:
comb12¾ x 14
Printing:
Offset lithography
Paper:
phosphorescent paper
Face value:
50 c - Dutch cent
Print run:
13,752,954
Score:
8% Accuracy: Very High
Related items:
Philatelic Product (Related): Sportstamps 1980 (Netherlands, Netherlands)
Description:
Bridge players and cards.
Buy Now:
27 sale offers from US$ 0.02

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07 Mar 2023
08:44:35pm

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Japan
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Mi:JP 636, Sn:JP 604, Yt:JP 559, Sg:JP 732, Sak:JP C247
Themes:
Anniversaries and Jubilees | Technology | Telecommunication | Telegraphy
Issued on:
1954-10-13
Size:
26 x 30 mm
Colors:
Plum
Format:
Stamp
Emission:
Commemorative
Perforation:
13½
Printing:
Recess
Face value:
5 ¥ - Japanese yen
Print run:
3,000,000
Score:
73% Accuracy: High
Description:
The International Telecommunication Union (ITU), originally the International Telegraph Union, is a

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07 Mar 2023
09:02:11pm

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Philippines revenue stamp issued around. 1888

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08 Mar 2023
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re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The stamp inscribed (in part) 'Naljepnica' is a 1945 Military Post Stamp from Croatia with an interesting story.

https://worldstampsproject.org/croatian- ...

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08 Mar 2023
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re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The other Croatia item showing Cardinal Stepinac (google him) was produced by the Croatian Franciscan Fathers in the USA, most likely as a fund raiser. There are many types and they are often mistaken as being issued by the 'Government in Exile'.

I also see a Cape Verde Registered label and directly beneath that a Customs label, probably German or Swiss. The next item shown (under the 'Zoll-Douane' label) is a tab or gutter from a Czech stamp or sheet but the exact issue escapes me.

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08 Mar 2023
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The second stamp down is a 1945 Spanish Cinderella, possibly issued to raise funds. It is a 90th anniversary college item depicting David Edward Hughes, the British-American inventor and professor of music. The stamp is inscribed 'not for post or telegraph use' which may give a clue as why values were added.
As far as I know there are 4 different values, possibly more and colours too. Can be found overprinted with 'Cueta' or 'Melilla', Spanish autonomous cities in North Africa. Another clue as to the values perhaps ?

I also see a stamp showing 4 hands, an anti-TB stamp from India maybe ? So it's Pakistan, sorry !!

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08 Mar 2023
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The ten paisa with hands is a Pakistan label.

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08 Mar 2023
04:14:25am

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The 1990 International Literacy Year label belongs to the Czechoslovakian 1k 1990 issue of the same name

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08 Mar 2023
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re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The label with the hands and crescent appears to be a charity label from the Pakistan National Tuberculosis Association (PNTA).

The Czech tab is from this se-tenant pair:

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The orange and brown label was for collecting funds for orphans of the telegraph service in Spain.

The other two Spanish labels similarly refer to orphans of the postal service and have been overprinted with the Spanish arms of the time.


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08 Mar 2023
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The stamp under the Philippine revenue is an 1871 Hungarian Newspaper Stamp.

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08 Mar 2023
06:46:06am

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

Abstractist...

Thanks for sharing the interesting selection of stamps, labels, etc. My comments pertain to the second, third, and fourth items.

#2. One of thousands of "Beneficiencia" (charity) stamps/labels issued during the 1930/40s in Spain.

Londonbus' comments are spot on. Issued in 1945 to raise funds (supposedly) for the orphans of telegraph workers. The figure depicted is David Edward Hughes, who in 1855 held a patent for a printing telegraph machine.

Believe this is one of an annual issue. It had no postal value. Produced in both perforated (saw-tooth) as well as imperforate versions. Have seen examples overprinted Melilla, Tanger, and Ceuta (enclaves in No Africa).

#3 and #4. Also "charity" issues. Part of a five-issue set released in 1938 featuring the work of renown Spanish painter Diego Velazquez.

Perf 10, lithograph. The 5c issue (Edifil NE 35) is "Apollo in the Forge of Vulcan" (1630), the 10c (Edifil NE 36) "Los Borrachos" (The Drinkers) (1628).

Both paintings are in The Prado (one of the top four imperial art museums in the world). Your examples are from 1941, when the five-stamp series was overprinted as shown.

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08 Mar 2023
06:56:58am

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

Believe #8 is Brazil. 1893. "Liberty Head". Scott 111. Several perforation varieties.


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08 Mar 2023
07:18:42am

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

#16. Final item.

Believe the origin is Poland. Believe it is from a painting entitled "Weeping Woman".

The portrait is believed to be that of Dora Maar, the mistress and muse of a painter known as Picasso. Or some such name.

The artist produced several versions of this painting, all similarly named.

Happy to be corrected.

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08 Mar 2023
08:08:07am

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What a wonderful discussion-SOR at its best.
Thanks to you all.
Dan C.

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08 Mar 2023
08:30:21am

re: I do not know if they were generated by a country to be used as postage.

The Polish label was issued se-tenant with a 10th March 1981 stamp for Picasso's birth centenary, both in sheet form (SG 2719) and in miniature sheets (SG MS2720).

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08 Mar 2023
11:43:52am

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Thank you, thank you, thank you one and all. I kinda of thought the bottom stamp had something to do with Pablo Picasso.
And I had searched for many days to find any information about any of the other stamps. the stamp from Spain that did not have a sister city over print I have a few others that do have the cities on them.


Again thank you one and all!

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Calstamp

08 Mar 2023
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Good exchange of information.

Now its time for another SOR member to post a selection of their "imponderables".

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